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Have you guys seen this?
https://tmd-life.com/products/rod
The weight and balance is probably wrong, and it seems like it wont take much of a beating, but it seems like a good solution for the staffer on the go. And there must be a few interesting (and non gimmicky) tricks to be found.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
These have been around in one form or another for about 100 years, they’re built for one trick, and one trick only (to appear from nowhere) reset is fiddly at best (and couldn’t be done mid performance)
They would be no use at all for staff tricks. They’re far too light, they’re not as stiff as they look, and would flex far too much when rotated quickly. If they bend too far in the middle, they crease and you’ll never get it back together.
There was a company a while back who were making a short version with a thread attached in the middle as a “dancing cane” (or “flow wand” as the youngsters seem to have renamed them) but they had a reputation for tangling and snapping the thread when extending.
If you’re a juggler, save your cash and spend it on something more worthwhile. If you’re a magician who wants an appearing cane for your act... get a new act, they’re still a bit shit ;)
That was helpful, I didn't know, what to think of it and was about to like it and want one, but I doubted they might not be perfect. .. .. .. Maybe there's more stable versions in industrial built (but then, I guess, these might not have properties and mechanics apt for manipulation)? cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescopic_cylinder
hi guys! haven't posted in a while. 5b is going great, i don't know why did i put it off for so long. stopped using the log because my parameters are changing too fast (started marking every flash, than every 7 catch, than every qualify... but now i get 15c almost every time).
anyway, had some questions about silicone bounce balls.
a. would you say that bounce juggling is easier or harder than normal juggling? wanna know how long would a 5b cascade take me.
b. should i look for something specific? all i can get in Israel are play g-force, Mr. Babache turbo, and Mr. Babache silicone.
c. does real silicone worth the price? its about triple. its not that I'm on a budget, I'm just trying to figure out the lay of the land.
d. color. does it make a difference? it makes sense to me that no coloring would have a better bounce.
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
> a. would you say that bounce juggling is easier or harder than normal juggling? wanna know how long would a 5b cascade take me.
Yes ... once you've got the hang of bounce juggling in general. There's a good reason it's easier - the floor does your timing for you, and it's much better at regular timing than feeble humans are.
> b. should i look for something specific? all i can get in Israel are play g-force, Mr. Babache turbo, and Mr. Babache silicone.
As with all props there's a shedload of personal preference. But it's also true to say that very, very few people regret buying sillies, although of course many regret paying for sillies.
> c. does real silicone worth the price? its about triple. its not that I'm on a budget, I'm just trying to figure out the lay of the land.
Yep, although I may be biased. To be clear, they do not have the highest return ratio, although they are generally pretty damn close to the best there are. What sets sillies apart is two things : 1. The behave soooo consistently, with beautifully regular bounce, and more importantly they really, really don't succumb to irregular or unpredictable bounce trajectories, so long as you are working on a decent surface. 2. They self clean, apart from on absolutely filthy surfaces.
> d. color. does it make a difference? it makes sense to me that no coloring would have a better bounce.
Again, personal preference. I have all yellow plus one pink, so I can use the pink one to simply catch counting. E.g. for 5b bounce I place the pink one amongst the three in my right hand, such that it will be the last ball of all five to leave my hand. Therefore I know that when I catch it again in my right hand, that's ten completed catches.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
> c. and reason 3: you can do the special effects with spin better with silicones than with any other ball
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
thanks man, lots of info.
the question about the coloring was more of a mechanical question, somehow i thought that if you add coloring to a rubber/silicone ball the bounce isn't gonna be as good.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Have you done any bounce juggling at all yet?
If yes (and you know you enjoy it), get the silicones, they’ll be lovely. If no (and you’re not sure if you’ll like it) get the g-force, they’ll be cheap and really very capable.
The most important thing about learning to bounce juggle is having an appetite for chasing the damn balls all over the room. If you don’t have that, it’s not worth investing in silicones as you won’t use them!
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
i have tried bounce juggling before, but i didn't cover the depth of it. i can do a 3b casc, probably reverse, but haven't covered anything unique to bounce juggling.
so basically the age old rule of prop juggling, buy the cheapest if you're not sure about it ore the most expensive if you are.
Bounce juggling may look easier, cause it's generally slower. I mean, juggle a 3b cascade "upwards" and "downwards" and you can notice (even hear) the difference in Pulse. But in my opinion the actual truth is that they are totally different props, so each one has different capabilities and requirements.
it's like saying playing piano it's easier than other instruments. the piano is really simply put. every note is there for you, you even have sharps and flats marked black! but... you demand a lot more from a piano, than from a tuba.
Here is the same. I guess 3 bounce cascade it's not hard... so, the bar is set higher.
Also you should know about the 2 different ways to bounce a ball: Lift and Force.
in Lift mode you toss the ball just a little above the hand before it falls to the ground, then it bounces back to your hand.
Your hands could be facing up, or to the center. Juggling like this is slower, but harder to be accurate on each throw.
in Force mode you toss the ball straight TO the floor. Hands face down. Pulse is much faster, but is really a lot easier to aim each throw to make it bounce at the same point. (I actually made to little squares of tape on the floor, and I try to hit them with every throw. Sounds harder, but once you get it, helps a lot)
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
i know about the two different styles of bounce juggling, i think I've tried both (don't you catch the same in both styles? hand up).
the piano analog really puts things in perspective! thanks!
I'm actually learning bounce juggling too, so I don't know all about it, but i think with the force bounce you wait for the ball with your hand facing down because it's much faster and less work than spining your hand up and down to catch and throw.
(there's also hyper-lift and hyper-force, but I'm not sure how are those...)
Anyway, I recommend you to watch this guy, Alan Sulc bouncing. This video actually motivated me to take back my bounce juggling. :)
https://youtu.be/dAqgHePnvzI
jamesfrancis - - Наверх #
Bounce juggling is great fun and in my view considerably easier than toss juggling for the same number of balls.
It took me less than an hour to get my first 100 catches of a 5 ball lift cascade having never picked up a set of bounce balls before. At this stage I could already run 5b toss pretty well and consistently qualify 7b toss however. Whilst the skill set is not completely transferable, it definitely helps. Like for like i think 5b lift bounce is the same difficulty at 4b toss although this is highly contested at my local juggling club.
I learnt using a set of oddballs and then upgraded to silicones once i was really into bouncing and could justify the spend. When you are learning I don't think you would fine too much difference in performance and actually silicones usually bounce a little less high. It is only when you get a little bit better when the consistency and grip of silicones really does make a difference.
I bounce a lot of siteswaps so I like different colours to colour code the patterns. There isn't any difference in performance.
Good luck and enjoy. There are plenty of fun was to bounce juggle incorporating many different styles so make sure to explore. There are plenty of great video resources out there too for inspiration!
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
one last question! are all sillies created equal? should i look for a specific brand? locally i can only get mr. babache and only one color that i don't like, so if i decide to get sillies instead of g-force i would have to ship them anyway.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
My knowledge is a little dated, as I haven't bought any silicones in the last 10 years - but http://www.siliconeballs.com are the milestone I still tend to judge all other silicones by
I did have some "budget" silicones at one point (I forget what the brand was) and two of them just split apart after a few weeks of use, so I'd avoid anything that looks suspiciously cheap.
Those that are currently active bounce jugglers will probably have better product knowledge than me.
Anyone has any good tips on fixing old bad habits? my left shower is bad and its holding me back big time... can't do L 5551, so i can't do 555145551 for example (and my box is ugly). i hold my left hand a bit higher than my right so i throw up and catch it really hard.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Step 1 - identify *why* it’s bad, which throws are causing the problem? It can be helpful to video yourself and watch it back, but don’t just do this from one angle. You’ll see different things wrong filmed from the side than you will from the front
Step 2 - see if you can isolate just that throw and find a way to practice it outside the pattern. If you can practice that throw in isolation do so (even if that means spending time with one ball, making a single throw and assessing what went well/badly)
Find other patterns that use that use that throw and play with them too.
If the problem is with the rhythm rather than the throw, counting out loud or tapping your foot helps
Step 3 - suck up the fact that breaking s bad habit takes more work than learning it in the first place and put the hours in
Step 4 - profit!
Juggler's tennis.
Enigma for the beginner (me). My deepest gratitude to 7b_wizard who adviced to practice Shower on incline surface. I guess not very useful for the Shower, but it works perfectly well for Tennis )) I have got the feeling of the pattern in 10 minutes using beanbags and inlined list of cardboard. Any other ideas with Tennis ?
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Interesting that you find shower easier than tennis. I think its harder.
You can try siteswap 423 where the 3 are reverse, its known as real tennis. But i think you might want to learn other 423 variations first. (If 423 doesnt mean anything to you, you might want to read about siteswap)
I guess I am practicing 423 as "W" variation and it works well for me. Currently working on various 2 in 1 to be able to do other forms of 423
Have you seen this: http://www.libraryofjuggling.com/Tricks/3balltricks/JugglersTennis.html
The 2.nd animation with the black ball shows best how it's normal--normal--overthrow--a.s.o. ( overthrows in a 3-beat ) and because that overthrow is higher, it makes sense to also throw \release it from higher (else it will land too late).
Lib'O'Jugg suggests to train those overthrows in a slower tact, only once in a while from normal cascade (3.rd animation).
An overthrow is not(!), and not to be confused with an usual reverse throw that flies to and lands near the middle (or: inside), but it flies over the whole pattern to the outside of catchhand.
And, hey, why not indeed use a different ball (or Paint It Black) for those overthrows!?
Thanks a lot for explanations. Of course, I am using different color over-throw ball to be sure I am on the right track. I guess I have to work more on the incline cardboard to be sure my hands do the pattern without thinking. Tennis is pretty funny and nice looking trick. What a pity I began learning juggling at so old age (( I expect it will takes me twice more time to master simple routines (Cascade, RC, HS and Tennis)
twice more time
.. don't underestimate, how understanding what goes on, and the flexibility of a lot of general experience and wisdom, will hopefully keep you from waisting a lot of practise time on inefficient practise ( I'm only about ten years younger and - too stubborn on 7b - still doing that wrong lol )
Probably I am not seriously motivated for Juggling and don't see very attractive goals. Surely I don't want to become a "great juggler" )) In my twenties I was pretty good in weight-lifting, in my forties I have got 4 DAN (grade) black belt in Shotokan karate , in my sixties I have got International Chess Master Dyploma (FIDE) in blitz chess online. It surely were very tasty goals ))) I guess I am doing "recreational juggling" and it is very useful activity for total body coordination. Some psychological rewards in form of small achievements as "I was able to do 11 catches in Shower". At this moment I am practising 2-in-1 practice and it is great to feel my clumsy hands slowly getting more and more dexterity. Probably good "recretaional juggler" (up to the Box) will be reasonable goal for me ))
When I started juggling (at age 30), my main goals were "become good enough to impress friends and family", "juggle torches" and "learn club passing". I don't know how impressed my friends and family are (they are kind of used to me juggling by now), but I can juggle torches a little bit and I do club passing twice a week.
Now my main goal is to become a good club passer. Actually... The main goal is to have fun with friends, but for me, that involves doing lots of club passing. So I want to be a good club passer to be able to participate in all kinds of crazy passing patterns. :)
Other goals are to learn 5 balls, then 5 clubs, and doing more partner juggling/passing with the two colleagues that sometimes juggle with me at the lunch breaks.
Hi guys, promised you more questions, so here they are! Ive been having some thoughts about the subject of fitness for jugglers.
What fitness exercises you find are the most valuable for jugglers?
Cardio makes you sharper and more energized, so thats an obvious choice.
When i juggle clubs for a long time i can feel the strain on my forearms (maybe im using to much wrist?) And its obvious to me that 5 ball endurance takes some muscle.
What do you guys think? Is fitness even that relevant, or is juggling itself the best exercise to develop the abilities needed? What do you do to keep in shape?
to my humble opinion, most jugglers are pretty weak guys. I reasonably doubt they can bench-press more than own weight. So my recommendations will be to have some upper-body muscles, especially pectoralis major and triceps. Bar-dips will be ideal. Reasonable standard 20 reps for guys under 50 y/o and 10 reps for grand-pa over 60 )))
Juggling is not a force act, I believe. ( "We're not juggling cannonballs, right." )
Getting the rhythm snapped-in to the point, aiming and precision, agility, speediness, speedy thinking, handspeed, wristyness are crucial.
At least for for upto 5-6-7 balls, clubs dunno, guess ~5c.
There is though, a phase when you're not mastering a challenging pattern yet, where you're liable to do tensed, to fight to even keep it up and going, .. there then, having a bit of muscle power will keep you from wearing off soon in long sessions. But that's not the clue in the first place to getting better, to seizing a patterns rhythm and ratioes well and to optimizing your movements along pattern's needs, along a perfect comfortable, nimble, smooth pattern.
In that sense, I totter and limber up, stretch, do arm-circles and -twists an' stuff to prevent soreness. My concession to strength is doing 200g balls a bit for warmup, and I think, it serves me well for 7b cascade (and 9b flashing).
( "Working out on big muscles only makes your arms heavier!" :p )
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Juggling sure isn't a force act, but it is all about endurance. What ive learned from watching 5b andurance comoetitions is that you use less streght when you have proper technique, but when you get tired your technique becomes worse and worse and you have to compensate more using muscle, which gets you even more tired and so on. It shows in ofek snir 5b record, i believe.
It goes double for clubs. 30 minutes into a club session there is no way i can get more than a flash of 4 clubs. Surely if i had better technique it wouldn't have to be so hard.
Also some muscle tone is needed to prevent and minimize injuries.
Its evident that a juggler doesn't (or even should'nt) have to be a bodybuilder to be a great juggler, but technique can only take you so far to my understanding. Same goes for strength of course.
Yes, endurance is a point where you get into doing tensed after a while and where it's good to not have to give in to a lack of muscle power.
But I made the experience - when doing 5b endurance (for minutes only, not hours like Ofek) - that finding back into perfect swift smooth pattern will indeed find back into a relaxed pattern ( sometimes all of a sudden, when snapping-in again out of nowhere ) that will keep on going much longer with muscles then relaxing again, as opposed to fighting yourself through such bad phases with primarily muscle power that you will soon or late have to give in to. So, to me, that's my credo, my approach to it all, the perfectly mastered pattern is the clue, and doing with muscle power only the bad but sometimes unavoidable way when the pattern is going astray, then testifying that I'm doing something wrong. It should at its best be like walking, I believe, not like powering oneself through it with more effort than absolutely necessary.
in my opinion is really helpfull to be a little in shape. i mean, i don't go out to run, but i do stretch like 10 minutes everyday i juggle. it's important to loosen up every muscle and joint. legs, back, neck, wrists, elbows.
also as i do have kinda weak tendons, i try to reinforce them with a little of weight lifting.
every other day, after stretching, i make 10 reps of 4 different movementes. it doesn't tire me. gives me muscle, and i also take the chance to use it to stretch a little.
My point is that juggling mostly involves biceps, deltoids and wrist flexing muscles. Opposite important muscles are not working. Exercises for one group of muscles without working on opposites leads to negative effects in spinal motor roots. I greatly enjoy juggling lying down on my coach )) Watch David Cain setting world records in this position )) Doing bar-dips 20 reps is just minimum fitness standard. "Heavy arms" require 20 reps with at least 100 - 200 lb additional weight. It doesn't make one SLOW, watch shot-put and disc throw competiotions ))
sorry, i don't understand what you're saying, i'm not that much into fitness.
I just use a 3kg. weight to keep my arms strog, and they didn't get any slower by this.
I believe that I would be able to juggle 4 clubs a bit longer if I was stronger. My arms usually get tired after about 100 catches.
I don't do enough to keep in shape, and nothing that is specifically for juggling, barely a minimum to keep healthy.
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Yes, I believe fitness is relevant. I can easily tell the difference between when I'm fairly fit and when I've spent some time off fitness by how I feel with my juggling. I am also FAR more prone to injury if I'm not particularly fit.
I was the fittest I ever had been when I went to my first IJA and stayed high-energy through the entire fest. IJA 2013...not so much. Had to pace myself, couldn't do hard stuff all the time, it was rough.
hello everyone! my name is Yonatan, and i have to admit i have already had a thread here a couple of years back about 5 ball training. I'm ashamed to admit though that the reason I'm posting now is the exact same... i took a really really long break from juggling due to leukemia (all fine now! got me some new bone marrow and I'm three years healthy) and a friend of mine who just got back from the ijc convinced me to get back into it, which I'm super excited about.
since my return to juggling a few things bothered my over analytical database-oriented brain. the first thing was that i don't know how people train. so first question, and this is fairly subjective so i know you gonna have more than a few opinions on this (though I'll be glad to know if any of you have a study on the subject):
what do you find the most efficient way for you to train? working for one specific goal the whole session (trying to get this one trick down)? getting all over the place (working your 5 balls for some time, getting tired and changing it up with some 3 ball body throws or even setting the balls aside for a bit and picking up the diabolo)? or working on similar but different tricks (4 ball shower and 5 balls both have hard tall throws, so lets do both)?
I have a notebook i keep my juggling thoughts in, so i might lay a few more on you the next time i get a chance ;).
P.S
been training 5 balls using Thom Wall's guide.. wanted to get your input on it (i can get ~25 throws of right 5551, qualified left 5551, get a flash of 5551 in my fountain and semi-consistent flash 5)
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Welcome back and I'm happy to hear you're healthy!
I have a few "focus patterns" that I make sure I put some time into every session. Depending on where I am in those patterns and how things are going on that day, the amount of time for each varies from 3-~15 minutes. Then I have some secondary patterns/pattern families that I try to chip away at when I remember.
My warm up tends to be a "whatever I feel like for a little", sometimes with a focus on a certain type of movement (e.g. left-handed dots, body throw combos, etc.). When warming up for numbers, I try to incorporate patterns that are below my skill level, but unpracticed, so that I have to do lots of corrections. Corrections warm up the body very quickly!
I practically only train with balls. I don't have enough time or skill to make meaningful contributions to juggling with a diversity of props. I do play with other props some, but mostly socially and not too seriously.
Thom Wall's guide + sweat + time = 5b cascade :)
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
hi man! thanks! what do you mean you do corrections? how do you purposely get in a situation you need to correct?
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
I find that patterns that are unpracticed but below my general technical skill result in having to do many corrections while keeping the pattern alive. The ones I enjoy right now are some flashes of siteswaps out of a 5b reverse cascade. Balls go everywhere, but because I have a pretty solid 5b and those siteswaps are pretty easy for my in a normal cascade, I can wrangle everything back in and repeat.
And if all else fails, I listen to Chandelier by Sia. I can't help but move a bunch after seeing that amazing music video way too many times.
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Yeah, downright mindblowing. There are times when I see/hear something that makes me realize I had no idea how good at certain things people are. Sort of like an abrupt mental re-benchmarking Some examples:
William Lin's BJC performance way back
Maddie Ziegler's Chandelier video
When a competitive classical singer that I was teaching chemistry to sang (!!!)
Occasional research papers (the Nobel Prize one on neutrino oscillations where they had to filter out the radioactivity from THE WIRES IN THEIR ELECTRONICS comes to mind, as well as some of the framework-development ones in educational research).
Do you (or anyone else) remember those types of moments? What are some that come to mind?
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
I'll have to move those up the reading list a bit. Thanks for the recommendations.
Have you read Thinking Fast and Slow? I'm only partially finished it but am enjoying it an awful lot! Go figure: a book that explains part of how your thought patterns work is good at influencing your thought patterns.
oooh, good question... ones that immediately spring to mind.
Lars Andersen - archery
Jane Zhang doing the Diva song from the Fifth Element live with no synthesizer assistance.
https://youtu.be/kJl2uPNsJEk
Adam Winrich - whip cracking
https://youtu.be/Wzd34P5uTtU
Sean DeBurca - fingerstyle guitar, I first saw Sean perform live in Tunbridge Wells when he was I think 17 years old, I had never heard fingerstyle before.
https://youtu.be/8d_1m_hyYEM
Veronika Petrova, Inna Lymar, & Yuriy Danilchenko - skipping
https://youtu.be/UdLt70d-4kQ
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Sometimes when I see something that SHOULD reframe how I see a discipline, I can feel myself rationalizing that I had obviously thought of that before, or that "of course it should be at this level". It's kind of hard to explain, but that's how I felt when I first saw Lars's archery video (and how I used to see Dave Kelly's and Chris Hodge's videos). Almost like they're doing something categorically different, and the stuff they're doing CAN'T be similar to what I've seen before.
That whip cracking video was something else!
I don't know why, but I've randomly encountered so many VERY good skippers. In high school I saw a professional skipper perform in a talent show. At Turbofest in the first few years I went (2010-~2012?) there was a really amazing skipper. In Japan, while walking the streets randomly, I came across this:
https://youtu.be/mFjU2y_CVU0
It's funny how things happen.
And the middle section of that Raw Art video was very cool!
Congratulations on the health front! Facing leukemia is a far more impressive trick than a 5 ball cascade so this should be easy for you!
Don't focus too much on 5 ball like patterns. Getting a good start when you launch the pattern is really important, & launching 2 balls from one hand is different to launching 3 so make sure you practice that part.
Also try to practice a little bit more than a flash as soon as possible, even if it is just 1 more throw. With a flash it is fairly easy to compensate for errors in rhythm, during the running pattern, not so much.
If you like data & analysis ty keeping a practice log, it can draw graphs for you & everything!
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Thanks man! valuable input. so you say i should stick to the flashes to learn launching 5 balls?
the practice log was a major reason to come back here, though i never used it before :P
I think so.
I don't think it is worthwhile breaking down base patterns (3, 5, 7 ball cascade etc) too much. The best practice for a 5 ball cascade is a 5 ball cascade. Breaking things into components only makes sense to me for combination tricks involving different skills, & for more complex patterns where you need to do different types of throw.
In a cascade every ball does the same thing, for 5+ balls the important points are rhythm, accuracy & speed. If you take out a ball for 55550 it is still possible to do the pattern without the correct timing which allows bad habits to develop.
Hi Hermit,
for 5 ball cascade, I warmly recommend this: http://juggling.tv/16767 with 3 balls, the idea being: if you can't do it with 3 balls, how can you expect to get it with five?! And it will be necessary to keep a 5 ball cascade up and to get it stable, that one has at least somewhat of control on most of those dimensions shown in the vid, especially 5b speed (and handspeed) and 5b height (and precision \accuracy \aiming well there), but also for correcting or for working against any drifts, twists, furthermore for controlling the front plane, then for finding your most comfortable and efficient posture, so far for what I can think of.
It's pure cascade training; this approach skips any 4b exercises, but as you seem to be getting along well with the fountain and siteswaps, all this is maybe just a minor alternative. Yet, checking it out at least briefly might find the one or other exercise that could be a precious clue for improving on 5b.
( I'm afraid my practise, though structured mostly after priorities, that i stubbornly work on, a huge ``plight´´-part, "good-fors" and only a small ``leisure´´-part, .. afraid, my practise isn't as efficient as should, so I'd rather not extend on it. )
cheers & happy juggling
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Thanks man! thats a lot of material! I always check my posture when juggling, but having a check list like this might be beneficial.
Hi, just singed up and wanted to say hello!
My name is yonatan (jon also works) and im a juggler based in israel. I mostly use juggling as an educational tool (i work and volunteer with underprivileged youth).
Currently, im working a getting a 5 balls cascade (feeling pretty noobish after seeing your record board...) any one got any advice for me? I can manage to do a flash now and again, but im feeling rather stuck.
Hi. Getting past the flash with 5 balls is a big step because it requires almost perfect timing and throw heights. With 3 and 4 balls this is not the case. How long have you been working on it? I suggest that you carry on as you are. Get the flash solid making sure that throws go to the same height and land at regular intervals, then go for a 6th throw. It will take several months at minimum so just keep at it.
Do you know about the annual Israeli juggling convention (IJC)?
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Thanks, I will. Nice to know that it just takes time and im not doing it wrong...
I do know the ijc, every year at passover! coudn't make it to the last one due to sickness though... didn't think it was well known out side of israel, don't think it holds up to the european standart.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
The IJC is what, second largest juggling fest in the world? Of course we've heard of it :)
I consistently hear great things about it from people who have been and had a wonderfull time. I'd like to go one day, but realistically I'm not organised enough to sort that out...
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Seriously? Second largest? I had no idea... the international show at the end is usualy the highlight of the event, but the israeli show offers a great stage for local jugglers to show their talent. I was under the impression that circus arts were underdeveloped here, mostly after visiting london. We only have 1 or 2 clubs that meet regularly...
When I think of the places in the world most associated with juggling I think of the UK, US, Scandinavia, France, Germany, Chile, Japan and Israel. There's always quite a large group of Israeli jugglers at the EJC and one of them normally wins the 7 ball endurance (Look up Ofek Snir). In recent years there's also been quite a large group of jugglers from the UK going to the IJC. I'd like to go some day too based on what I've heard.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
I think the "top 4" in order are usually EJC (approx 5K people), IJC (approx 2K), BJC (approx 800-1000), IJA (approx 400-600)
Although the numbers drift year on year, and are not always that easy to get hold of.
So yay! You've got something special :)
Well EJC averages at attendance of 3.5k for this century varying between 1.2k and 7.2k but EJC data is the easiest attendance data to find
Berlin must be getting close?
Although it skipped this year because of building works, I was under the impression that 5-600 was typical for a B(erlin)JC. Anyone have any better guess of numbers?
The Berlin Show venue has 525-585 seats and is nearly always sold out (often with some more convention-goers watching by video link in gym) - I don't know if they sell tickets to non-convention goers.
I think in the 500 mark there are other conventions like the French National or Brianza or maybe the Dutch National. There are also the non-western conventions we don't know so much about eg S America or the Far East.
Hi jon & welcome, from my part!
If you vary 3 balls in any way ( high(!) \ fast & low, wide \ narrow, walk back 'n forth & turn with running pattern ), especially controlling higher (and very high) throws, will alltogether discover your great range of airspace in front of you, and get used to 5 balls' height and speed.
You have to gain the time to embed these two more balls into the pattern (coming from 3 ball cascade or did you try 4 balls?), especially the time they stay in the hand (dwell-time), so the beat per height ( ! - not the speed itself!) is a bit faster with 5 balls (respectively the height per beat a bit higher). So, you have to throw them just a bit higher, than you think, for a given or chosen beat, respectively a bit faster, than you think, for a given height (other than used to from less balls!).
If the balls collide, throw them a bit more from inwards \ middle (=scoop more).
Also, preparing the 5 ball cascade with 4-ball-patterns, so called siteswaps: e.g. 552 [ <-- you can click that and a stickman will pop-up juggling that for you], 55550, 5551 are said to be helpful for 5 balls. (but I find these additional pauses, gaps and gimmicks more irritating, than trying only same throws at a constant beat with 5b rightaway).
Just like with 3 balls, focussing on nice throws will let the catching happen all by itself.
Crucial - I think - at your stage, is to do a sixth and seventh throw, no matter, if balls have dropped already or you see them out of reach! So whenever you get a flash that feels well (close, well-spaced, well-timed, well-aligned, well-well-good), be prepared to throw any caught ball again at once and don't get stuck on counting or doing a 5-flash-beat+stop to catch them all, but go on throwing.
Good luck & fun! :o)
Also juggling with a bit looser wrists will get the height easier, but will be a bit harder to aim, to control well.
Hermit Of Masada - - Наверх #
Thanks! I will try it! A friend suggested 4 balls high flash with crossing the balls (55550?), and im getting pretty good at it. Il check out the other patterns and find some that challenge me.
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