Hi, just singed up and wanted to say hello!
My name is yonatan (jon also works) and im a juggler based in israel. I mostly use juggling as an educational tool (i work and volunteer with underprivileged youth).
Currently, im working a getting a 5 balls cascade (feeling pretty noobish after seeing your record board...) any one got any advice for me? I can manage to do a flash now and again, but im feeling rather stuck.
Hi. Getting past the flash with 5 balls is a big step because it requires almost perfect timing and throw heights. With 3 and 4 balls this is not the case. How long have you been working on it? I suggest that you carry on as you are. Get the flash solid making sure that throws go to the same height and land at regular intervals, then go for a 6th throw. It will take several months at minimum so just keep at it.
Do you know about the annual Israeli juggling convention (IJC)?
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Thanks, I will. Nice to know that it just takes time and im not doing it wrong...
I do know the ijc, every year at passover! coudn't make it to the last one due to sickness though... didn't think it was well known out side of israel, don't think it holds up to the european standart.
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The IJC is what, second largest juggling fest in the world? Of course we've heard of it :)
I consistently hear great things about it from people who have been and had a wonderfull time. I'd like to go one day, but realistically I'm not organised enough to sort that out...
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Seriously? Second largest? I had no idea... the international show at the end is usualy the highlight of the event, but the israeli show offers a great stage for local jugglers to show their talent. I was under the impression that circus arts were underdeveloped here, mostly after visiting london. We only have 1 or 2 clubs that meet regularly...
When I think of the places in the world most associated with juggling I think of the UK, US, Scandinavia, France, Germany, Chile, Japan and Israel. There's always quite a large group of Israeli jugglers at the EJC and one of them normally wins the 7 ball endurance (Look up Ofek Snir). In recent years there's also been quite a large group of jugglers from the UK going to the IJC. I'd like to go some day too based on what I've heard.
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I think the "top 4" in order are usually EJC (approx 5K people), IJC (approx 2K), BJC (approx 800-1000), IJA (approx 400-600)
Although the numbers drift year on year, and are not always that easy to get hold of.
So yay! You've got something special :)
Well EJC averages at attendance of 3.5k for this century varying between 1.2k and 7.2k but EJC data is the easiest attendance data to find
Berlin must be getting close?
Although it skipped this year because of building works, I was under the impression that 5-600 was typical for a B(erlin)JC. Anyone have any better guess of numbers?
The Berlin Show venue has 525-585 seats and is nearly always sold out (often with some more convention-goers watching by video link in gym) - I don't know if they sell tickets to non-convention goers.
I think in the 500 mark there are other conventions like the French National or Brianza or maybe the Dutch National. There are also the non-western conventions we don't know so much about eg S America or the Far East.
Hi jon & welcome, from my part!
If you vary 3 balls in any way ( high(!) \ fast & low, wide \ narrow, walk back 'n forth & turn with running pattern ), especially controlling higher (and very high) throws, will alltogether discover your great range of airspace in front of you, and get used to 5 balls' height and speed.
You have to gain the time to embed these two more balls into the pattern (coming from 3 ball cascade or did you try 4 balls?), especially the time they stay in the hand (dwell-time), so the beat per height ( ! - not the speed itself!) is a bit faster with 5 balls (respectively the height per beat a bit higher). So, you have to throw them just a bit higher, than you think, for a given or chosen beat, respectively a bit faster, than you think, for a given height (other than used to from less balls!).
If the balls collide, throw them a bit more from inwards \ middle (=scoop more).
Also, preparing the 5 ball cascade with 4-ball-patterns, so called siteswaps: e.g. 552 [ <-- you can click that and a stickman will pop-up juggling that for you], 55550, 5551 are said to be helpful for 5 balls. (but I find these additional pauses, gaps and gimmicks more irritating, than trying only same throws at a constant beat with 5b rightaway).
Just like with 3 balls, focussing on nice throws will let the catching happen all by itself.
Crucial - I think - at your stage, is to do a sixth and seventh throw, no matter, if balls have dropped already or you see them out of reach! So whenever you get a flash that feels well (close, well-spaced, well-timed, well-aligned, well-well-good), be prepared to throw any caught ball again at once and don't get stuck on counting or doing a 5-flash-beat+stop to catch them all, but go on throwing.
Good luck & fun! :o)
Also juggling with a bit looser wrists will get the height easier, but will be a bit harder to aim, to control well.
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Thanks! I will try it! A friend suggested 4 balls high flash with crossing the balls (55550?), and im getting pretty good at it. Il check out the other patterns and find some that challenge me.
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