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Cid -

Introduction :)

Hi, I'm Cid
a French Human who juggled a bit when in my teenage years (devil stick mainly). I remembered these times fondly as it felt extremely rewarding through the constant progress.

I m not a teenager anymore, and the devil stick isn t really a thing for me anymore, I ve started to juggle balls at the beginning of October, to chase that particular feeling again and the joy it brought me.
I practice everyday, no matter what, sometimes just 5 minutes.

Happy to be part of this website / community :)

7b_wizard - - Наверх

hey ho & welcome, Cid! .. that's a nice story with that feeling an' all, and choosing against devilsticking. I wonder what all else might be comparable on that behalf .. multiple boomerangs, .. clubs juggling (also have handles), .. twirling .. (?)

Orinoco -

I'd not heard of Val Jauregui before but I enjoyed this video showcasing her angled bounce plates that add a new dimension to her antipodism.


Tufty - - Наверх

I like that, very nice.

The Void - - Наверх

Nice video, and skills. Cheers for posting.

The Void -

Westminster council are picking on Covent Garden buskers again, as they do every few years.

(Gets to the point at 7m35)
There's a petition at www.savelondonbuskers.com

Orinoco - - Наверх

Well worth watching the video.

Signed the petition, I don't think many more needed to get over 5000, although I'm unsure because if you load the page the signature counter ticks up. Reload the page & it starts again at the same number?

Tufty -

New trick for this lunchtime.

Not quite sure how to express this in valid siteswap, but it's three throws of 5 followed a synchronous 4 ball throw. It's kinda 555[4,4] although that's not valid. The timings are a bit wierd, the 5 throws need closer to a 7 ball rhythm.

I can get 2 or 3 rotations of it so far.

The Void - - Наверх

5 balls? With a base pattern of cascade?

Tufty - - Наверх

yeah, 5 balls, a fast flash of 3 balls then a pair of synchronous 4 balls.

Scott Seltzer - - Наверх

Looks like Cindy Marvell did a similar trick just 1,628 weeks ago here:
https://youtu.be/1T6dsOykSYM?start=5421 (that's 1:30:21 timestamp) - though she did it with 4x,4x.

Tufty - - Наверх

That's it. Well, it was new to me :)

david - - Наверх

That was my first time attending a convention/festival and Cindy went on to be first in the individual championships that year.

IANAsiteswap expert but could it be described as 555[4,4]2 or [4x,4x,]2 ?

Adrian G - - Наверх

I'd probably describe it 555(5x,5x)* (the * is needed so it repeats on the other side, and the sync beat hides a beat afterwards which is why I don't have a 2)

Here it is with juggling lab (though the timing is a bit different and had to adjust dwell ratio to make things work, that could be fixed in the siteswap instead but it'd end up more complex): http://jugglinglab.org/anim?pattern=555(5x,5x)*;dwell=0.8

Tufty - - Наверх

Yay, that's it.

7b_wizard - - Наверх

That's an interesting small little flourish movement, that alternatingly the early one of the synch hands does for 1/2 a beat of delay.

Richard Loxley -

Reminder: it's the mini Virtual Bungay Convention tomorrow!

Starts about midday tomorrow (Bungay time), lasts until the end of Tuesday.

To join in, go to https://virtual.bungayballsup.com/

You need to answer a simple question to get in, if you don't know the answer, just contact us and persuade us you're a juggler and not a spambot :-)

See you tomorrow,



Tufty -

As an answer to my previous thread bout what bals to buy, I've just finished making up a set of "russian" balls. They're actually canadian, but hey.

Started off with a set of cheap cold-weather street hockey balls, "winwell" brand, chosen because - well - it's what the local hockey supplier had in stock, Ø65mm, 50g each. Cost me €3,50 each over the counter, you can pick them up for a bit less online. Sliced them open with a Stanley knife blade (other cutting tools are available) and added 45g of salt, glued them up with some PVC adhesive and then taped the edges together until the glue set. They're flexible PVC, the adhesive (which is pvc dissolved in acetone to produce a gel) effectively welds them shut. This means the ability to tweak the weights is "limited", but I don't think I really need that anyway. The only worry I have is that, as the seal is (or should be) hermetic, they might collapse at lower altitudes (I live at 900m).

First impressions? I like them. Need to avoid spinning them as you throw, but they "plant" really nicely in the hand. Size is about right, and they're lighter than I'm used to for beanbags.

Mike Moore - - Наверх

Fun fact: that's the kind of ball that Gabrielle Foran (undisputed women's distance joggling champion) uses. I'm not sure if she used the same sealing method as you, but I /think/ hers are also air-tight, and she hasn't had problems with them in a variety of locations. Mind you, we're at ~333 m.

Tufty - - Наверх

OK, with a bit more play time, here goes.

I like the surface finish. this is down to the actual balls I used, but they're sort of velvety, and quite grippy. Markings and excess PVC glue came off nicely with some acetone, leaving them pretty smooth. I buggered up the joint on one of them, leaving a noticeable edge, but it's not a major issue.

For numbers, they're pretty nice to juggle. If you put any spin on them, they tend to wobble and crash the pattern, I think this will eventually lead to more consistent throws. Weight is about right for 5 or 7 ball, 92g per ball. This weight wasn't chosen, I was going for 100g but mis-measured the first one I did. woopsie-doodles. I can flash 7, which I feel is pretty good after 20 years with no practice.

They're not overly suited to 3 ball stuff, I think. Maybe because my 3 ball juggling involves a lot of movement, I suspect that this puts them off-balance at the point I make the throw.

I was expecting them to be better at body traps. Any sideways movement, however, tends to make them wobble off-balance and I can't catch that yet, I guess I'm naturally correcting for something with a fixed centre of gravity. I'm dropping arm and head catches every time, head catches seem to roll off the back of my head - overcorrecting, I guess. On the other limb termination, however, vertically dropped foot catches feel very much within reach.

What's very nice is that they don't tend to roll away. Or if they do, they roll around in a circle, then stop suddenly.

York Jugglers -

Re-starting juggling meetings after lockdown, what precautions should we take?

We stopped meeting for juggling in March, but we have now been told our juggling venue is open again though with a few safety rules and a limit of twenty people.

We have been trying to think of what extra safety precautions we should take to make sure juggling is as safe as possible. So far some of the ideas we have come up with are:

  • Do not come to juggling if you have Covid symptoms or have been near somebody who has Covid.
  • We will take a register and have everybody's contact details.
  • Everyone to wash their hands on arrival.
  • Everyone to bring their own juggling props.
  • Everyone to keep 2 metres apart.
  • Everyone to bring their own tea mugs and still keep apart when sat down for tea break.
  • We will keep windows open to increase ventilation.
  • No loud music so people don't need to shout (we don't normally have loud music anyway).

Has anybody else re-started their juggling meetings or have any good ideas of other precautionary measures we could take?

pumpkineater23 - - Наверх

Apparently, humidity can play a huge part in the transmission of COVID19. The droplets instantly become heavy when the air is wet, and fall to the ground. They hang around for far longer in dryer air. Both heating and air conditioning dry the air significantly.

Orinoco - - Наверх

The elephant in the room is will you allow passing?

Is it really a club meeting if you can't pass?

el_grimley - - Наверх

For the Wellington club we don't allow passing under our level 2 lockdown in NZ. Solo is fine. No juggling clubs allowed for level 3 or higher.
Level 1 is back to normal.

david - - Наверх

One more suggested caveat - Don’t feel obliged to come if you are afraid or don’t want to use public transport.

Alice - - Наверх

I have submitted a risk assessment to our landlords,I have said that passing not allowed (initially, am hoping to introduce) unless you are in each other’s social bubble. Keeping details for track and trace and making sure everyone who comes agrees to this. Subs must be paid online or in exact money, kit bags spaced around the hall and we have max numbers that can juggle at any one time, no sharing of equipment ( unless already ina a bubble with each other). The club will supply hand sanitiser and wipes that I will absolutely not be stealing from work. I have offered to do temperature checks if the landlords want but it doesn’t really have any value. Strict it rules for opening and closing the hall. Haven’t heard back yet but fingers crossed for September.

Tufty - - Наверх

I'm not sure the jury's totally back in on whether temperature checks are useful or not. The real question there would be cost based unless you already have access to an IR thermometer etc. I suppose you could insist on rectal thermometer readings*, but that might somewhat limit participation.

If you're actually serious about limiting the potential for spread, there is no reason you can't insist on masks.

* rectal or under-tongue readings are pretty much the only ones that you can rely on. You can use the same thermometer, the only difference is the aftertaste.

5balls - - Наверх

We have restarted juggling meetings in Tübingen, germany, when it was allowed.

However we are still juggling outdoors (as far as the weather permits - also I should update club information here on the edge and on the webpage - we are in fact meeting again). We are about to start juggling indoors again soon, so it is interesting to read what other people think.

We follow all the rules you have written (we don't have a tea mug rule... nobody drinks tea here before / after juggling yet ;)) but we allow passing patterns for the people who like to do so (which are the same close group of people everytime, so if there is a spread it will be kind of limited).

As far as I know the risk of transfering Covid via objects is fairly low* and not the main infection path (which is via droplets and aerosols) and it can be lowered even further if everyone uses hand sanitizer before and after and does not touch his face in between.

Still - with passing manipulation patterns one does get closer to other people so it is of course a higher risk than juggling alone standing apart from each other. On the other hand one is then constantly changing position so it is less bad than - let's say sitting next to each other in a restaurant where there is no air movement and critical virus concentration can be reached. As far as I know the german contact tracing app only registers close contacts with a time of over 15 minutes.

Maybe interesting are some rules in germany for indoor training (this is specific for the state of germany I'm in, Baden Württemberg... other states have similar but different rules), of the top of my head:

+ If the sport is contactless (solo juggling) there should be at least 10 square meters per person
+ If there is the possibility of some contact situations there should be at least 40 square meters per person
+ Maximum number of people in group is 20 (but there may be more than one group if the facility is big enough)
+ One needs to make sure a distance of 1.5 meters is kept, also when using showers or toilets
+ If there is direct contact in sport, it should be made sure, that it is always the same people who have close contact (for example in partner acrobatics - which is allowed again - people should not change so much)
+ Contact information for each training session needs to be collected and destroyed after four weeks

*Interestingly it seems to be even lower on rough surfaces which is kind of counterintuitive for me.

Maria - - Наверх

We didn't shut down our juggling meetings (except when we thought the gymnastics club we are part of had cancelled our reservations for the gym, that was about 4 weeks in march-april).
The only thing we have done is bring hand sanitizer and a small poster reminding people to stay at home if they have symptoms, wash their hands before and after juggling, and avoid close contact. It's up to the participants to decide what close contact means, and whether they want to pass clubs or not. We are all adults (our youngest member is 17).
The flow club that we share practice space with did cancel their meetings during spring, though, which means we were only 4-5 people there each time, maybe 7 different people in total. (Our club needs more members....)
We don't have tea breaks but usually go to a cafe after juggling. We kept doing that but often ordered take-away and sat somewhere outdoors.
Now things are pretty much back to normal, the flow club is back, we still have the hand sanitizer and the poster.

unicycledotcom - - Наверх

Durham City Jugglers re-opened on the 8th September after quite a bit of discussion among the club and with the community centre where they meet. The community centre have been following the government procedures and have put in enhanced cleaning facilities, one way systems and installed gel dispensers in the hall and corridors etc.

The club did a separate risk assessment and procedures in parallel to that. As the club is only small and adults we think we think it is controllable. Here are some of the relevant points to this discussion:

    Contact points cleaned by organisers before and after the club with disinfectant spray.
    Everyone cleans hands before entering and leaving the hall.
    2m distancing and limit the entry to enforce this.
    Track and trace document produced for all people attending.
    Club equipment may be used... but must be returned to a "dirty box" and then only combined at the end of the meeting.
    Passing. After considerable advice on this we decided to allow this to go ahead but under strict rules. Equipment should be cleaned before and after use. Hands must be cleaned before and after use using the gel cleaner. We also warned about touching anything other than clubs during the passing ie face or clothing.

ok... first week went well and all seamed good. Then on the 9th September the UK Government announce that it is restricting groups to 6 people.

The UK Government is rapidly updating their guidance and it looks like community activities like juggling clubs are exempt from this 6 person rule as long as they conform with their other guidelines. Here is the main relevant document we believe relates to juggling clubs:


This all seams such a fluid situation that everything is under review, but this is where Durham City Jugglers is at the moment.

Rey Diaz -

Hi I am new to Juggling; following Michael Gelb's idea that juggling promotes accelerated learning and team-building.

The Void - - Наверх

Hi Rey,
Welcome to juggling. Articles claiming juggling "is good for....X" pop up every few years, and they may or may not be true, but one thing's for sure: juggling is fun. Especially if you're able to meet other jugglers. Obviously, that's way harder right now, and possibly reckless, but check out the Clubs section here to find your nearest club, and head along when it's safe to do so.

7b_wizard - - Наверх

Hi & welcome, Rey.

Tufty - - Наверх

Hello Rey

I'd generally avoid any claims made by management consultants, but I notice Gelb's book is co-authored by Tony Buzan, who knows a thing or two; the learning stuff could have value, juggling does, after all, involve rewiring your brain to do new and unintuitive things. My experience of people selling "team building", though, is that it's 95% snake oil and 5% bullshit.

However, as my learned colleague Mr the Void says, juggling is mostly about fun. Jugglers are a pretty affable group overall so I'd second the suggestion to (when it is safe to do so) find a local juggling group, unrelated to work, and make some new friends. Juggling, and specifically the jugglers I knew and know (including the aforementioned Mr the Void) pulled me out of a deep depression around the tail end of the '90s, it would not be too much to say that they probably saved my life. Was it a worthwhile effort on their part - who knows?

Yeah, juggling's great. Have fun.

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