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hello everyone,
Here I am back again to remind you all that EJC is fast approaching - too quickly for me now with mountains of work to still do! so I will be very quick.
I hope that all who want to come, can and have already purchased their tickets - but if you haven't you can still buy them online (ejc2019.org/tickets) and you will be able to buy on the door. (day tickets on the door not online)
My purpose today is tell you:
1- As you know EJC is run as a huge skill sharing event, so to that end we need people to share their skills by volunteering to run workshops - if you would like to run one or two or more please can you send Ben an email on workshops.ejc2019@gmail.com
2- The International juggling Associations Regional Competition (IRC) is holding its first European event at EJC this year and we need performers who would like to take part. The rules and all the information can be found over at ejc2019.org/irc there is prize money to be had and there is no age restriction. Acts will need to send an application in by the 6th July.
3- Just a little reminder that if you want some luxury at EJC this year we do have some additional extras available to order - lockers and electric hook up. They do cost I am afraid and hook up will only be available to order in advance.(cut off will be a couple of weeks before the start EJC) Again go to ejc2019.org/shop
4- We are looking at shuttle bus times for arrivals and departures from Newark rail stations so Dee will be running a survey soon on rail arrival times - more info soon on this.
5- If you have any questions please email me - I tend to post and run on here - Jane.ejc2019@gmail.com
Thanks for reading and look forward to seeing you in Newark in 58 days.... eeeeeekkkkkk
Further to my original post here is the survey that Dee has made, please take 30 seconds to answer
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeBK8NMfZ3gCrDEPaCCgo9b_9WSK9ealDjW7IUcmFYFZrbl7g/viewform
Done using google forms as its still the quickest way to create a survey that wants time and date information (surprisingly difficult in other surveying tools) where you can force people to enter date time information in a consistent fashion...
No personal information requested. If arriving by car, filling in the form will help us understand when peak loads see likely to be at registration, but the primary reason for the survey is to look at when running a bus to the site from Newark may make sense.
Danny Colyer - - Наверх #
It might be useful to ask whether people would be interested in using the service at times other than on arrival and leaving.
I want to go and explore Newark during the convention, I daresay other people will as well. I'd rather not drive in, and walking options seem limited (I have found a walking route that looks OK, but it's a bit circuitous). I'm not interested in using a bus service for arrival or departure, but I'd happily pay a small fee to get to and from Newark for a day trip. If that can be made to coincide with picking people up from the station, and bump up the numbers to make it viable, great.
Richard Loxley - - Наверх #
NB. The survey wants the date in American MM/DD/YY format, so you might have some confused answers!
I had to wait until I had my diary in front of me because I knew I'm there Saturday to Sunday, but the date picker didn't show the day of the week so I couldn't fill it in without looking up the dates elsewhere.
Got there in the end though :-)
Guiness Book of World Records
Any of you who are also visitors to the EJC page on Facebook might have seen my post already.
I have been approached by the GBWR who are really interested in coming along to the EJC this year with their crew to record some new records. I have had a few people confirm that they are interested and then have suggested some potential new records.
If you are seriously interested in taking part then please email me on Jane.ejc2019@gmail.com
They are looking for:
Current record holders
People who have made applications but not attempted their records
People who wish to attempt a record but have not applied yet.
I did mention this site with its lists and they are interested in taking this forward.
Obviously you will need to be coming along to the EJC :D
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Jane x
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
I've applied years ago to do longert distance walking with a pool cue on my chin, and practised a bit. I'm happy to start training again, write me on hello@danielsimu.nl
(Perhaps you want to consider to also post this at https://www.reddit.com/r/juggling/new/ .)
Thanks Tobi for reposting it there for me! I didn't even know the place existed!
The post there doesn't exist anymore, sorry. Perhaps you want to consider to post a copy of your post from here at https://www.reddit.com/r/juggling/new/ .
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Why did it disappear?
I had realized that it's better if the original poster posts it there. Again, sorry the post is gone. I hope she will post her announcement there. Signing up is quick, and posting (in thjis case eg pasting) is quick as well :)
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
It exists, but you'd be slightly better off going to https://www.reddit.com/r/juggling/ which will give you the 'hot' view, i.e. the articles which are attracting the most attention. But you can read and submit from either.
Also I feel I ought to mention that the moderators there are all sorts of awesome, thoroughly nice chaps, and rich, famous, cultured, and drop dead gorgeous to boot.
#redditfaghag
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Yes, an absolutely top-shelf crew.
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
I could probably retake the 3 object blind record and would be interested in setting a 4 object blind juggling record if they were interested in that.
Unless Haavard's coming, because he would crush whatever 4 object record I set on his first try and then run 5 balls blind for way too long.
Happier EJC post
I hope that you are all aware that the EJC 2019 will be brought to you by a very enthusiastic British team and will be held at a great venue just outside Newark-on-Trent. The dates are 3 - 11 August 2019. Tickets are on sale from this evening and we have a variety of ticket prices for people to choose from. The registration system has been brought to you by a super person who you will all be very familiar with!
The flash sale that was held at the end of November went very well and we will have at least 1700 people at the event! (I know you all like to know the numbers and very rarely hear them from the horses mouth)
pop over to ejc2019.org/tickets later today.
If you have any questions best to email me on jane.ejc2019@gmail.com as I don't frequent juggling edge very often, far too much talk of actual juggling ;)
Thanks for supporting EJC
Jane
Serious BJC post
Some of you lovely people who have already purchased your ticket for the BJC (British Juggling Convention 10-14 April) should have had an email from me calling for help encouraging ticket sales and you may be wondering what is going on.
I will lay it out for you, we need another 150 tickets to be sold to make the event viable and this is with a very pared back event, very bare bones. I have said we will see where we are on the 15th Feb and make a decision about whether to call it all off and cancel. So if you really want this to happen please get these tickets sold. I have had one sale since I put the email out......
It is really disappointing as I had hoped that we would at least be able to rustle up around 250 people for the basic event. Perhaps it was naive of me, but at least I tried.
If the worst case scenario occurs then I will still do a merchandise run if people would still like the stuff they ordered.
Thanks again for your support and I hope that you will do your best for the BJC.
Jane
Richard Loxley - - Наверх #
For those not on Facebook, here's today's post from the BJC :-(It is with a sad and sorry heart that I write this post. With only one day to go I fear that a miracle is not going to appear. The numbers needed are just too many for a last minute flurry.
I feel sad that our idea didn't work, perhaps if we had of had the idea earlier things might have been different. I know that some BJC regulars made alternative plans before we announced the dates and others are committed to EJC.
I hope that there are people out there who will be proposing a BJC for 2020. We would love to hear from you very soon.
I also fear that if there aren't any that again it will be my fault because I proposed a British EJC, which has inadvertently ruined BJC for this year and maybe for the future.
Sorry
Richard Loxley - - Наверх #
And it seems that the Unicode emoticon truncated the post!
Here it is again with the character replaced by ASCII ...It is with a sad and sorry heart that I write this post. With only one day to go I fear that a miracle is not going to appear. The numbers needed are just too many for a last minute flurry.
I feel sad that our idea didn't work, perhaps if we had of had the idea earlier things might have been different. I know that some BJC regulars made alternative plans before we announced the dates and others are committed to EJC.
I hope that there are people out there who will be proposing a BJC for 2020. We would love to hear from you very soon.
I also fear that if there aren't any that again it will be my fault because I proposed a British EJC, which has inadvertently ruined BJC for this year and maybe for the future.
Sorry :-( x Jane
Link to the post for those on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/britishjugglingconvention/posts/1032154880319467
Towards the end of November for about 2 weeks (23rd Nov - 7th Dec) we will be selling tickets for EJC 2019 for £125. In preparation we are sharing 42 reasons why the European Juggling Convention in Newark on Trent UK will be something not to be missed.
42 reasons ? Well it is the 42nd EJC!
If you are facebooker then you may have seen these posts already over the last week, so swipe on by, but if not I didn't want you to feel left out.
Our first reason: Our venue is awesome! Take a peep at our 'look at the site' film we made this summer
https://youtu.be/woGxjA4TfwY
reasons 2,3 & 4 are all about Camping!
2. Amazing camping space! As you saw from the aerial pics in our film on Saturday the site is beautiful and green and flat!
3. Awesome cooking and washing up facilities. We loved the spaces in Almere and we will have them at Newark too!
4. Electric Hook-up.... Not something that everyone will want, but lovely if you are coming in a live in vehicle. For an additional charge you will be able to book a hook up pitch. These will be limited to certain areas. More details as we get them finalised!
5. History.. Yeah we have lots of history around these parts and if you fancy a day off site for a look around the area there are lots of interesting places to choose from.
Nottingham, Southwell, Lincoln, Newark, (everyone talk about.. pop muzik.... ! hmm doesn't quite fit - and I suspect you are all too young to remember this song anyway!!)
https://ejc2019.org/sightseeing/
These next few all about the Western Arts workshops - which for those new to EJC are free to attend as workshops are all included in the cost of ticket.
6. We have a super enthusiastic group of Western Arts specialists who are making awesome plans for the provision of extensive workshops. Check out their little promo video below
https://youtu.be/jtbI5gLn7zE
7. They will be providing Knife Throwing & Archery workshops every day with knives you can borrow so no need to bring your own if you are travelling light from abroad.
8. Whip workshops and competitions taught and judged by world class whippers! (is that the right term?!!)
9. Gun Slinging & Lasso workshops everyday, again with props you can use fully supervised.
Next lot next week
Jane
Just going to pop over and remind you all that the super cheap ticket price of £70 for the BJC will end on Wednesday. After that they will be £90. Wondering why they are so cheap? Well it's because we are running a bare bones event with no gala show or off site activities.
The event will be in Nottingham once again, simply because it's down the road from my house, we have been there before and they are up for us to go again.
We decided to not run the gala part because it is a huge expense and numbers are expected to be low because we kind of hope that most of you will also be going to EJC in Newark on Trent!
https://bjc2019.co.uk/tickets/
if you have the access please pay by bank transfer as it saves us having to give PayPal a cut of the ticket.
Thanks for your time and hope to see you next year in Nottinghamshire - one way or the other, or both!
All the best Jane x
How lucky are you guys, no posts from me for months and months and then 2 in the matter of a few days.
I realise that many of you don't care much for facebook but there is a chat going on on the British Juggling Convention group page about a potential proposal for BJC in 2019.
click https://www.facebook.com/groups/theBJC/
Hello Juggling people!
Would you like to be featured in the new promo film for the #ejc2019 ? or future advertising for the event..? We are currently collecting tiny film clips (10 seconds or so) of people declaring their excitement (mostly!!! ha ha) or love of EJC so that we can edit them into our main promo film and then several much much shorter ones for the future. If you have a minute or two then I will be very grateful to receive your contributions and anyone featured will receive a limited edition tiny enamel gnome juggler badge when you arrive at EJC 2019.
If there can be juggling in it too then that would earn bonus points!
One special request is that if you use your phone then please film landscape (sideways)
Thank you my lovelies and see you all in August 2019 (if not before!!)
email your clips to me - jane.ejc2019@gmail.com
website is in progress but for the basics right now www.ejc2019.org
Is the BJC dying a slow death?
I've not been for a few years so I was quite surprised to hear how few are expected to attend this year. Fewer than half the amount of people that used to go about 10 years ago.
Is this a sign of a fall in the numbers of young jugglers taking up the hobby or are there just more events dividing up the pool of likely attendees?
BJC numbers are always down when it's in a "far corner" of the UK. Of course, we're well down from the early 90s heyday, but that's been true for years.
The last 2 with figures for attendance on https://thebritishjugglingconvention.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=BJC_History (both in Darton) are over 900. That's pretty good. I'm sure Perth will have been well down on that, and I guess it makes sense for Canterbury to budget on a low figure too. We'll see how it goes, I guess....
I wouldn't have called Kent a far flung corner. Not compared with Yorkshire. I suppose I'd need to know more about the concentration of jugglers around the country but I would have assumed London and Bristol to be hotspots.
Anyway I hope you're right because 500 seems a small number to me.
Where are you getting 500 from? *If* it's their budgeting figure, that's presumably a worst case scenario, and therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to *hope for* 600-700. Dunno, I'm guessing...
From the horse's mouth. Budgeting figure is even lower.
Good to know the last couple were around 900. That's a good number.
When people are deciding between BJC or Catch it can't be a good thing.
There has to be a number where it is no longer viable in its current form.
Mind you, under 500 and we could do it at Hulver farm
British Balls Up anyone?
There are no numbers on that site for attendance for the last 2 (anyone know?). 900s were 2014 & 2015.
Well, here's hoping...
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
> When people are deciding between BJC or Catch it can't be a good thing.
Why not? I see that it's a risky situation, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It seems to me that the BJC does not have a right to be pre-eminent, it needs to earn that status.
I meant it can't be a good thing for the BJC. It might well be a good thing for juggling.
It already seems quite hard to get people to commit to running one, if numbers decline who's going to take the risk of making a big loss?
Maybe both can be successful?
Anyway, come to BJC and eat at Montegriffo's.....
Richard Loxley - - Наверх #
I wouldn't have called Kent a far flung corner. Not compared with Yorkshire
Spoken like a southerner ;-)
I'm currently a southerner, living in Bristol. But I'd still rather travel to Yorkshire rather than Kent! There's this annoying thing called London in the way, which adds stress and considerable time, whatever method of transport you use.
I will make the effort anyway, because I want to go to the BJC. But I can see why anyone in the Midlands or above would think twice.
Canterbury is more than twice as far from the centre of the UK population as Darton is.
Where's the centre of the UK population?
About one in seven live in London, must be getting on for a third of the population are South of Watford.
From a comment on an Ordnance Survey page: "Yes, one of our Twitter followers suggested this too. It’s not something we’ve worked out ourselves, but @MurrayData says that using a population weighted approach centre of GB is approximately 433924E 309573N (Measham Rd Swadlincote Leics.)"
Click the pic link in the tweet: @JugglingEdge Pic for Monte: pic.twitter.com/Bitwm1Fb67
— The Void ザ・ヴォイド (@TheVoidTLMB) March 10, 2018
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
Yeah, erm, Swadlincote's in Derbys not Leics - only just, but Derbys nevertheless. Not a good start, although if I had to guess the GB population centre I'd probably go for somewhere not too far from Swad.
Also, Swad is mostly an unmitigated shithole, but then that probably makes it a good representative of some sort of median of the British population. I have worked a lot in Swad.
These Swad facts brought to you by Cedric Lackpot, who has nothing of value to add to this thread, but knows a damn thing or two about Swadlincote!
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
I'd like to subscribe to Swad facts by Cedric Lackpot please.
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
J. Thomas Looney died at Swadlincote in 1944. 'Nuff said.
Llama_Bill - - Наверх #
Measham Road to Darton BJC - 1:20
Measham Road to Canterbury BJC - 3:07
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
The main reason I won’t be returning to the BJC again soon, and the reason why I don’t recommend it to European jugglers when they ask me about it, is the time of year and the accompanying high chances of bad weather.
That’s the reason I’m not going again this year. The better time of year is also the main reason I’m going to the Catch festival this year.
If the BJC was held in July, I’d probably go every year.
That's rather a silly reason not to recommend it, Luke. Yes, some BJCs have had awful weather, but plenty have had good weather, even the ones held in the far flung North. Also, last time I went to the Lakes in the summer we had really quite a lot of rain.
There's no guarantee of good weather at any time of year, although it's likely to be a lot warmer in the summer of course. I'd be more inclined to talk about the shows, workshops, halls and general vibe of the BJC than the weather - if nothing else, to avoid becoming a national stereotype!
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
Not, it's not a silly reason. It's a major factor for me, and judging from the feedback I get from non-UK jugglers who visit the BJC, it's also the main complaint they have.
In Europe, if a convention is held in the winter, camping isn't expected. It's an indoor sleeping convention, with entire sports halls or other rooms set aside for people to lay out mats and sleeping bags. If the convention is late spring to early autumn, camping becomes an option. The BJC insists that camping is an option, even when the chances of bad weather is worse than good weather.
For example, Berlin held its convention in September last year, due to some date conflicts, and everyone expected the weather to be fine. But it wasn't. It was waaay colder than it is in May or June, the normal date for the event, and it got dark way earlier. So now the convention has moved back to the summer again.
Just so you know, the shows, workshops, halls and vibes at the BJC are no better than other national conventions in Europe. There is nothing to recommend them above conventions at better times of year and with better weather than the BJC. The chances of bad weather in March in Scotland though? Camping on the top of a mountain in Yorkshire in April, with tents being blown away? No thanks!
Rain isn't so much of a problem if the temperature isn't too bad. Just the difference from March to May was enough for it not to be too stressful for us to camp at Bungay. But the BJC that same year? Nope, we got a B&B.
Stephen Meschke - - Наверх #
Canterberry in April:
Cumbria in July:
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
If you are wondering about reduced numbers of people at the BJOC, I think the comparison you want is Perth, Scotland, in March and anywhere in the UK in July.
Perth in March:
Average high 6.4°C
Average low 2.1°C
Canterbury in July:
Average high 22.8°C
Average low 12.9°C
Penrith (closest city to Appleby) in July:
Average high 19.4°C
Average low 10.5°C
Conclusion: if the BJC was in July, anywhere in the UK, I'd probably go and be okay to camp every year.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
What’s with the crazy units?
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
I may not agree with a whole lot of what Luke has to say - and I'm pretty confident he's perfectly cool to be disagreed with - but I confidently and assertively agree that the climate is not a silly reason.
And it's certainly nowhere near as silly as saying that the British climate is unpredictable at all times of year, and therefore implying that the probability of seasonal or non-seasonal weather is immaterial regardless of the time in question!
There are a number of good reasons to hold BJCs at or around Easter - the weather is not one of them.
I have to agree, the damn weather and having to camp is always a factor that is lurking in the background, taking the edge off my anticipation. I am not the best camper - can't sleep well in a tent, so this year for the first time we have opted for the local Premier Inn. It does feel like a cop out but seeing as my hot water bottle is going to the IJC I couldn't face a week sleeping in a cold tent.
That being said the British EJC in 2019 will be in August and I am hoping that it will be considerably warmer and with little rain! Newark is only 50 miles from Swad so not far off being pretty central and we really really hope that we can entice as many jugglers, hoopers, diabolists, aerialists etc to it as we can.
As it is in Britain I am hoping to attract not only all the wonderful people from all over the world who come to EJC but all of those Brits that have never been to one before.
I know there is another EJC before it (2018 - Azores) but I am just slipping it in now so it's in your subconscious!!
PS the EJA are looking for a team for 2020, so if you know someone who might be interested in finding out more about organising a huge event like the EJC then send an email to info@eja.net
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
Let me ponder my BJC camping history:
2000 - so wet I never pitched my tent, and slept in the car instead.
2001 - some nice weather, but freezing cold one night and as it pouring with rain on the last day, it was the least pleasant final day of a convention ever.
2002 - after two years of terrible weather, I skipped the BJC completely! I went to the Israeli convention instead. The weather was amazing.
2003 - didn't camp, got a room at the university instead. People complained about ice on their tents. This was Brighton, not Scotland, so the location isn't always the most important thing.
2004 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2005 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2006 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2007 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2008 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2009 - got myself a B&B, but as this was a summer convention, I would probably have been happy to camp.
2010 - BJC switched back to a winter convention again, and I decided to skip it again.
2011 to 2013 - nope.
2014 - borrowed my parents' camper van.
2015 - camper van not an option, didn't want to camp in the same place where the previous year peoples' tents had blown away.
2016 - nope.
2017 - B&B again.
Ah look, I literally only camped at a BJC once! The only reason I kept going was being either by paying for accommodation myself, or being offered non-camping options for performing various acts in various shows.
Premier Inn is not a cop out, it's the only way sensible adults will keep returning to a camping convention in the winter/early spring!
This seems to be a wall of evidence that you have very little experience of camping at a BJC, but didn't enjoy it one time 7 years ago.
Doesn't seem fair to the British scene to spend so much time and energy discouraging others on that basis Luke.
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
It's not just the camping. It's the general wet and cold atmosphere. In 2009 the convention was in the summer in Norfolk. I went to the FIRE SHOW. I sat outside and watched the fire show and it wasn't the most miserable moment of my entire year. Do you know how amazing that felt? A BJC fire show which wasn't utterly unbearable to watch. Wow. And in the evenings we were hanging out on the grass between the gyms. The renegade show tent didn't need space heaters. Nobody was wrapped up for winter for no reason at all except the sun had gone down. We could watch the Sharpe brothers do their street show, just outside one day, and it wasn't remarkable that the wind wasn't so bad they couldn't do any diabolo tricks.
Then my next BJC, when hosting the games, I had to make announcements that people's tents were blowing away, and they should go check on them before we left for the gala show.
It's not about my camping experience, it's about having a relaxing time at a convention.
Again, the Berlin convention miscalculated with holding it in September last year, and the very next year it is back to June, based ENTIRELY on the weather and how soon it got dark. How did it take them one year to learn the lesson but the BJC keeps at it?
I hope that after the Catch this year and the EJC next year, people will finally learn, and the BJC can be a summer convention from now on. Or at least a late-May to late-Augst convention.
It is true the BJC fire show is consistently unbearable to watch, but I have never attributed that fact to the weather.
*Tries to donate a fiver to The Edge, for that comment*
*Finds out there's a minimum £10 donation*
It wasn't *that* funny. Cash at BJC do ya?
Little Paul - - Наверх #
It’s no Crawley fire show that’s for sure
As others have said, you've hardly ever camped at a BJC so I don't think you're really qualified to comment. I've camped at BJCs since 1993 (Birmingham) with a few gaps and I've never felt particularly cold, been woken up by bad weather or had a leaky tent. It has *been* cold, I agree, but with decent clothing and a good sleeping bag that's not a problem. Yes, it can be cold & wet outside but I've also sat outside on the grass in a T-shirt some years. In fact the one time I've been flooded out was at EJC Ptuj (which was the very definition of wet and cold and miserable).
Of course the BJC could be in the summer. It has been, in Norwich, after plans for the usual time fell through, as you said, and it was lovely and warm. It could be any time from late May (but don't you dare schedule it against Bungay, otherwise I shall be *really* scathing). It could be at Christmas. But someone has to stand up and volunteer to run it at that time and this bid has to be voted through at the business meeting - you know how this works. They'll then have to contend with competing with other festivals (including non-juggling ones), university exams and all the others things that may not have such impact in late March/early April/Easterish, availability of venues not in the Easter holidays and lots of other factors.
There's no point writing 'people will actually learn' in the hope it will happen - it will take someone to stand up and come up with a concrete plan for a summer BJC. As you know, there's no British Juggling Association running BJCs <nails lid firmly back on big can of worms> just whoever stands up and volunteers a year of their life.
I think we have an interesting situation this year with Catch! which is kind of an alternative BJC-ish thing in the summer with great acts in the show. This may well prove that a summer BJC-ish festival could work, in which case I look forward to many more bids of this kind.
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
No, I think I am qualified to comment. The point of my comment is that the bad weather has been the deciding factor in why I decided not to go to the BJC. And not just once. After York and Cardiff, I didn't go back to the BJC, and went somewhere else instead. Same in 2010. Same in 2015. Same in 2017.
The people who are happy to camp in the ice/snow/wind/rain/etc of the UK in March/April? You don't have to worry about them. But what about all the people whose first BJC was Derby in 2004? How many people didn't bother coming back the next year? Even though I didn't camp, I drove home to Newcastle with two people who did, and the stop in a pub on the way home for dinner, and sitting in front of the fire, was the first time they had felt properly warm and comfortable for the previous five days.
The people who don't go to the BJC are the ones qualified to talk about why they don't go, and are 100% correct about the reasons the numbers might be down... at least for the number they represent.
The people who DO go to the BJC, by the fact they can cope with the stress of bad weather, are not qualified to talk about the reasons the people who don't go aren't going.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
I've gone to the BJC once (I think 2015?). I had to sleep inside on the last night, it was a rainy festival.
I'm going again this year, very happy to bring my campervan!
pumpkineater23 - - Наверх #
That's a good point, no one likes going anywhere when it's cold and sodden. Why don't they hold the festival mid-summer?
The historic reason for the BJC being at Easter rather than in the summer is that performers are much more likely to not be working at that time. Whether as a performer in the show who charges less than their normal fee or as an attending performer who doesn't want to miss out on the lucrative summer months Easter makes much more sense. Touring circus often runs from after Easter until sometime in Autumn, so the timing would help them to attend. Nowadays BJC does not have as many professional entertainers and so this is not as good an argument as before. It still might mean that it is difficult to get the best professionals, although Rosie seems to be showing that a summer convention with enough funding can do that anyway.
Nigel
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
If you get 2,000 people at the convention, you can pay professionals to be there. It’s how the EJC works. There is no reason a BJC in the summer can’t attract 2,000 people.
I wasn't arguing in favour of an Easter BJC. I too enjoyed the summer BJC (although it cost me earnings). I was giving one of the traditional arguments for an Easter BJC. It makes sense for professional entertainers. I'm not sure it makes much sense for the majority of people who now attend the BJC.
Nigel
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
Yes, I understand. My first BJC in 2000, it seemed that the main influence on a large portion of the jugglers there was street performers and circus performers. These days the largest influence is other amateur jugglers. Why would anyone have a pair of stilts or a unicycle to take part in a parade? Why does the parade even exist? Does it still exist?
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Oh god. Parades. Please make them stop.
I know it's quite often a hook you can dangle towards the local city council to get some money off a venue, or land some other source of funding, but when you promise them a "colourful entertaining parade of jugglers acrobats and circus folk!" they picture an old fashioned circus parade. They picture tumbling acrobats, sequins and clowns. They picture free facepainting for the public, they picture ringmasters and jugglers and absolutely everything you can't deliver.
What they inevitably get is a bunch of people half heartedly walking along juggling 3 clubs or spinning a diabolo while talking to their mates and shuffling down the local high street. At best you might get one or two people wearing balloon hats, or a teenage unicyclist trial riding on every park bench or raised flower bed they can find.
Parades are at their absolute worst when everyone is only there because you made them attend the parade as a side effect of getting the bus into town for the evening show.
Parades are shit. "Because we've always done it" isn't a good enough reason.
Stop it
Just...
stop.
(and.... *breathe*)
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
EJC parades can still be good fun if the weather is nice. There's often an open air show on a specially build stage at the end of it, and those are usually worth seeing, like Smashed by the Gandinis in Almere (though not like 8 Songs by the Gandinis in Lublin).
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Is it the parade which is good, or is it the "show on the open air stage" bit which is good?
Because I would wager that of the two, the open air show is the bit that could stand on it's own. Do that, do more of that. Advertise it locally, get the public in as well, make a big deal of the fact that there's a show in town!
Who is the parade for?
If it's for the locals, then we're doing them a massive disservice (even EJC parades are closer to the atmosphere of a protest march than they are "rio carnival")
If it's for the jugglers, then what's in it for us apart from a show or "the games" at the end of it? If it's a show/games then why do we need to wander round the streets for an hour first? Why can't we be dropped off next to the show and just get on with the good bit?
Want to do something for the locals that actually shows jugglers in a good light? Put on more shows, run a street performing competition, run free-fringe style events in small local venues...
Just please, not a bloody miserable death march through town.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
As a young juggler I really enjoyed my first 5 parades or so.. Now after 15 at least it gets a bit unexciting yes..
I've really enjoyed the EJC parades I've been on, simply due to the amount of jugglers taking part - I think there's a critical mass. EJC Almere was particularly fun (especially our Ben occasionally pausing to show the crowd his single diabolo trick and getting rounds of applause - he was 6 at the time) and EJC in Carvin was mad, as it was at night and there was fire (health & safety??). I agree some BJC parades can be damp and disappointing.
I have exactly the opposite logic. BJC is my preferred convention because it's much cooler than in the summer. This means that I can juggle a lot without getting too hot. I don't care much about being outside. At most EJCs I've been to I'm unable to juggle most of the time because of the heat and I don't like to be outside in very hot conditions because of sunburn and other risks. I normally only go to the more northerly EJCs, although Joensuu didn't work out as I expected (40°C).
Also no fun when you have to leave your tent at 8am because the blazing sun is hitting it and roasting you alive. I've camped at every BJC I've been to and the only time I was cold was 2003 in Brighton because of the ice/snow.
pumpkineater23 - - Наверх #
You're not a tropical creature like me. Give me the early morning roasting sun anyday. I'd just go and find a nice shady spot and finish my sleep there. Or go to bed earlier. Camping in the snow.. are you quite mad? I went 'wild' camping at Brecon Beacons after the green man festival. It was horrible, damp and miserable.. couldn't wait for it to end. The only enjoying part I remember was when I was sitting in my car with the heating on.
I'm going for the first time from the continent just because it's close to the border! Don't kill my hype :P
Llama_Bill - - Наверх #
You'll have a great time. I've enjoyed every BJC I've been to. I am excited for this one.
You will indeed have an excellent time. Sadly I don't think I can make it this time (due to foreign travel for work the next week) but I'll certainly miss it.
Enjoy - and if you have any questions, I'll probably be at the registration / information desk!
Given I barely saw you out of the kitchen, did BJC feel significantly smaller to you than previously? I understand that total numbers were around 700 but hadn't been properly counted when I heard Anna discuss this with Owen Morse after the business meeting.
Nigel
Nigel, in your current thread "For several years now I have been suggesting a juggling competition for older…" you wrote "If the BJC doesn't happen next year (or even if it does)". May I ask if there there is any particular reason for suggesting there may not be a BJC next year?
Cheers,
Chris
During the Sunday meeting nobody stood up and said that they wanted to run a BJC in 2019. During the BJC I heard on several occasions people saying that there wouldn't be a BJC because EJC was in England next year. I am not strongly optimistic about a BJC next year because I haven't heard any great enthusiasm from anyone although I have now heard rumours about people thinking about it 'up north'.
Nigel
I know one person who has an excellent venue and good plans for putting a bid together for 2019. They've never run one but assisted, so know what's involved. Just looking to put together a local team I think. Hopefully their initial thoughts and ideas will come through and they'll make themselves known soon.
Another team was interested and had ideas of a venue but nothing firm.
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Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
It looks super fun, I hope I can make it once upon a time, but no this year sadly. Good luck!
The convention website looks great and nice to be in English too! Although I wonder if you could put some translation on the ticket page. I clicked through to have a look and it's all in Russian - this might be an important place for English so that we know which item to select.
Ilia Poliakov - - Наверх #
Hi! Thanks for your comment. In every ticket there is info in russian and english.
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