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7b_wizard - - Наверх

#logthread @ Mike Moore .. 6 c 5b-blind .. Wow! .. especially that juggled one, wow! .. Nirvana's just one step ahead for you now.

Mike Moore - - Наверх

It's amazing what having a deadline can do! I've been able to flash 5b blind for a while, and have decided it's time to work up to a qualify.

7b_wizard - - Наверх

#logthred @ JackJuggles .. Congrats on your nice breakthrough with 5 yesterday! .. "great session" .. "felt like average" .. "broke sound-barrier 50 catches" .. "lovely goal achieved" .. sound really nice & worthwhile envying a lot :o) [ <-- that's with round nose btw (not 'scream')]

7b_wizard - - Наверх

@ Stephen - [ logentry, fitness plan

Impressingly elaborated and thought through. I have some ad hoc feedback and critique to offer:

- Meals, nutrition are to a degree individually different.

- How do you make sure, what makes you conclude that the "Strength"-part, the workout goes right into your juggling skills?
    Scooping well for example is one major aspect in getting your patterns smooth and stable, so I believe
    those small and big muscles that twist ulna and radius (of the forearm) around one another
    are important for juggling smoothly and stable (and without exhausting yourself in them becoming
    tensed). My credo for those is, that using somewhat heavier balls would train these best.
    Also, for enduring, it seems crucial to me, to have sudden ``explosive´´ bail-out-skills out of plan, for
    unstable moments in a running juggle, when correcting and recovering back into stable pattern. You then
    have to do a few throws from awkward ball positions in space.
    Also, for finetuning, for walking that thin line of a snapped-in pattern, having big and strong muscles
    doesn't seem to be the main thing to me.
    So, why is juggling cardio and makes extra cardio unnecessary, while strength needs extra training -
    doesn't juggling naturally just the same provide for muscle-strength exactly where it's needed, .. without
    extra training?
    [ I'm aware this is highly disputable, as many seem to approach juggling by strength. ]

- Do I get you right, that you think, stretching at the end of a stint is the right time for it; or is your list not chronologic?

- I, B.: intersection of skill and fitness is greatest possible ability. Also agility?

- I like the idea of jumping + juggling. Cool.

Stephen Meschke - - Наверх

Just to be clear, I am making a video tutorial for the 2016 IJA video tutorial contest. The log entry is an outline for that video.

Nutrition is a big part of life. I only want to emphasize how important nutrition is for optimal training, and briefly go over a couple common mistakes like:
1. Eating sugar for energy during a long training session (better to eat complex carbs 2+ hours before)
2. If you plan a big training session, plan a recovery meal.

Strength does make juggling easier. Having a strong lower body is really helpful for 7b cascade, both during launches and recovering from a bad throw.

Juggling isn't strength training. Strength training occurs at high resistance with low repetition.

The list is not ordered. I do think that jugglers should warm up with dynamic movements, and do static stretches after training.

7b_wizard - - Наверх

#logthread - @ Guili (struggling with 7b flashes) - starting to see a pattern

I have another idea: A big problem at that stage you're at right now, can be (dunno, if applies for you):

- throwing the last two-three throws very high -

.. this takes a lot of effort and long stretched beats .. --> you get in debt of time and you'll be late on catching ( or rethrowing ) the early balls.
I got over that timing issue by thinking of the next (re)throws, by thinking, there were more throws to do, and by not putting all my energy into "finishing" the flash with (way too) ``high enough´´ throws, but doing also those on good normal height and sparing energy for going on in hopefully a rhythm.
(( _ But this happens only when one launches on somewhat different heights, like, starting a bit lower, or when trying to gain time with higher last throws. Not, when one tries to launch all balls on a same height and in a stable beat (then having to cope with different weights and thrusts in full hands emptying ball by ball). _ So I don't know if it applies for you. _ ))

Other hints for flashing are:

- throwing a bit more from the middle, -

.. ``away´´ up from a vertical center line, will reduce the chance for balls \trajectories interfering --> you need less time for aiming or checking just thrown trajectories before throwing the next ball. ( just "up, slightly away from the middle", and nothing will happen up there that needs any special attention except always aiming this current now throw well )

Or being aware of a) spacing between the balls, b) timing of hand's movement, catch- and throw-moments, c) the alignment of the trajectories like all on a pearl chain.
Also overall geometry of the pattern \of your throws respectively, like is it wide enough, is it well in the front plane, is it symmetric as should.
.. being aware of all of such major \crucial properties of a pattern, then explicitly working on getting rid of any of those when bad.

Hope, this wasn' too much in one go. cheers and be the goddesses of flashing with you :oD

Guili - - Наверх

Hi there 7b_wizard! Hope, this wasn' too much in one go haha, it was! but thanks for that!
i think i'm having EVERY problem you've described..haha!
you know, just out of instinct these days I was trying to make the pattern wider, like you said. It makes it easier for the balls to get away from your grasp, but it's truth you avoid them crashing into each other.
also, like you said, i'm having problems with the last throws. it's like i get nervous because the first throws are allready coming back, right? so you wanna make it quick and every ball flyes in a different direction...
so, how long did it take you to master it?
anyway.. i'm really stubborn, so i will not stop. some day you'll se my "i did it!" post too ;)
thanks for all the advice!

7b_wizard - - Наверх

Yah, great! .. also be aware, that any problem, any bad property of pattern \posture \ado, that you detect while trying 7b, you can train just that issue with 5b more effectively, like, as preparation or when warming up anyway.

7b_wizard - - Наверх

.. or amidst practise, as soon as you notice. ( It's fun and feelgood and makes you confident and motivates to get a 5b cascade variation down well - watch Daniel's most recent video!!! http://juggling.tv/16767 )

Daniel Simu - - Наверх

Thanks for sharing this, I'm glad it's relevant already :)

Guili - - Наверх

great video daniel! lot of control!
gonna try those moves ;)

Guili - - Наверх

yeah, i've been working with 3,4 & 5 balls FOR the 7b, and i can see it's usefull.
today i tried throwing the balls "more from the center" like you told me, and it really made it easier! lot less crashes...
got a 7-catches round! :-D
really motivated for tomorrow!

7b_wizard - - Наверх

@ Daniel - hey, 1b 02, 25 c - awesome! .. must have been hard for you as a juggler to not give in to the urge, a reflex to throw, flourish or active it. I couldn't do it without at least five mins of meditating before an' I'd still be biting my teeth °r'r'r'aaaangnrghhH°. Thanks for this very helpful coming-down exercise!

Daniel Simu - - Наверх

I understand your sarcasm, it's not a hard trick usually.. But I would like to get some recognition for it as a speedjuggler, because I did those 25 cycles (I don't count the 0 as a catch) in just under 3 seconds!

7b_wizard - - Наверх

Wow! [honestly] That. is. sooo. fast! .. I bet it's below the speed resolution of the human eye.

7b_wizard - - Наверх

[ hooking in there: https://www.jugglingedge.com/log.php?LogDate=2018-05-07&UserID=885 .. "absolute beginner passing" ]

Maria - I usually start with passing the first ball

Oh, yeah! .. Makes a lot of sense and solves many problems: a first pass is done, to start with; the rhythm then can orient on the incoming pass; the next pass can be prepared by - as you say - in an #n-beat or by countdown; the next pass can be a ``copy´´ of the first done one.

start with 5-ball 1-count, so they don't have to catch their own throws.

°Ouffh° .. wait, .. "5 ball" so far makes sense to me, another level down ( I might even have to start with 1 ball passing haha ), One has got 3 balls and one's got only 2 balls, which sounds a lot easier so far. Now, "1-count" and "not catch own throws", .. sounds like feeder with 2 balls at hands feeds a shower to feedee, I read after thinking it through a lot lol. Okay, got it.
Guess, for non-passers and beginners, first doing a few test-passes to where partner's hand exactly is in space, on different heights too, would be a good idea.

So, in what I said, ..

I'm a flop at passing - too many dimensions too many it seems to me. means, ..
a) __ I have to watch the pupil's \partner's cascade and rhythm, kind'a leaving my own juggle ``in the lurch´´ or doing it automized and peripherally viewed only, but the different rhythms and spread focus bring me out.
b) __ It's also like like I'm ``superveying´´ two cascades, 2 * 3 balls, which one of I'm not doing myself, so I lose conrol over it all.
c) __ Then, my throw has to fit into where and when, at which beat, the partner will get their gap ( I'm currently having that issue in 5b-°753°, trying to fill the gap thrown by the 7 with a well timed 3 ona right low height .. even without a partner lol ).

.. I reckon, I have to find ways to strictly stick to my own juggling, throwing passes, catching passes, being well done (well aimed and ~timed), then indeed rely on all I do will fit (or not) into partner's juggle. First focus on my own stuff, to strat with, later, much then maybe have an eye on partner's timing then too.

However, that's two very helpful hints sparing me all that "watch and find into partner's rhythm" before even having passed any ball, and, yeah, obviously breaking it down to less balls when it's a mess.

Thanks!! :o)

7b_wizard - - Наверх

( * edit: "later, much then maybe" = "later, much later then maybe" )

.. and also I fancy simply doing single takeouts, grasping a ball out of and fitting a throw back into running pattern, would be an absolute beginners' first exercise to passing, to doing together on running pattern.

Maria - - Наверх

Pretty much, yeah. Just decide for example that "every fourth throw is a pass", start with the first pass, do 3 throws in a regular cascade, pass again, do 3 "self" throws, repeat. You are both passing at the same time, no need to think about when the partner will get a "gap", since they are passing too the gap will be there. You do need to keep the same rhythm, though. (Well, at least for beginner patterns...)

Shower? No, nothing "shower"-like in the 5-object 1-count.

To clarify, this is pretty much the way I teach an absolute beginner to pass: http://passingpedagogy.com
"Exercise 3" is the 5-object 1-count, though illustrated with clubs in the animation. Try to keep it slow, I'd do higher throws than the animation suggests. I would also say that you want to react a bit earlier than the stick figures, think of a cascade, make the next throw when the previous one is at its highest point. With balls you'd like to stand a bit closer together.

It's way easier to juggle 5, 6 or 7 objects with 4 hands than with 2! ;) 5-ball 1-count might even be easier than a 3-ball cascade (it was for my colleague when she learned last year, but of course, she had an experienced passer to practise with).

Watching your partners rhythm is usually a good thing. The 5-object 1-count kind of eliminates the need for that, since you are not throwing at the same time but just responding to your partner's passes. The goal should be to get an even rhythm in the juggling, but it is not necessary for that pattern to work. Just like in 3b cascade, there is only one more object than hands, so if the throws have different heights and different dwell times, it will still work.
For patterns with 6 objects or more on the other hand... Definitely a good thing to watch your partner's rhythm. In the beginning you can let the more experienced passer adjust their rhythm to the one that the less experienced juggler keeps.

Good luck, I hope you get more opportunities to improve your passing!

7b_wizard - - Наверх

Pretty much .. .. .. beginner patterns...)

Sounds sooo trivial and easy when you describe it (( but aren't you forgetting, that the statistical chance for a random throw to land where it should is near 0, let alone on top of that in the right moment :o/ .. but, yeah, no - I was jus' jokin' --> that's why we're "jugglers" after all )).
I really like being (or going for being) synched right from the first throw being a pass.

Exercise 3 .. Ah, I see. Looks easy enough that I should get that. [bookmarked it]

Thanks for coaching! :o)

[ #passing #5obj1count #5objNCount #coachingZone ]

Maria - - Наверх

Well, actually you want to keep the same rhythm in most patterns, but it doesn't have to mean that you throw at the same time. Me and my regular passing partner mostly do "4-handed siteswaps" where the throw order is my right hand, his right hand, my left hand, his left hand...
There are, however, patterns where for example one juggler does 3 throws in the same time that the other juggler does 4. So, different rhythms, byt they have to match anyway (tricky stuff, haven't done much of that).

No problem! :)

7b_wizard - - Наверх

@Terix - https://www.jugglingedge.com/log.php?LogDate=2018-10-24&UserID=976

Hey! .. you're just doubting some. Normal, when you put a lot of energy into sth hard.

My all shows were shit (but this I have known already before)

What did your audience think about your shows, right?! .. You're just painting black.

Then, .. But I am now too old to became a professional juggler

Bullshit. Think of all the lifetime, you have ahead! .. Youth is only, say 5yo to ~20yo = 15 years. Now How many times fifteen years are still ahead of you! Ha!

So, chin up! & three cheers and a tiger! [ lol, looked that up in a dico XoD ]

7b_wizard - - Наверх

oh .. forgot, .. one more thing .. you don't have to be a master of juggling, not have to be skilled like a shaolin, be a numbers monster, but you can have specialities that aren't strictly speaking ``mainstream´´. Or also, you can entertain or present, the way, that only you with your personality can do. Carrying fun or devotion, passion, something special to the people is the more important part, I reckon.

Terix - - Наверх

Thank you, juggling wizard, for your long comments, I really appreciate that you have read all my training log and tried to give me sth positive. I think you are right, but I can´t accept it fully because my dream was always to be this number monster :D and juggler that is the best, but you are right - what does it mean to be the best?
Everyone can be the best in their own way

Thank you

Terix - - Наверх

And about shows, there were people, who were expecting much more from me and were disappointed, and on the other side there were people who really liked my shows and gave me standing ovations, but I have to think about these who were disappointed, I feel like I have deceived them

7b_wizard - - Наверх

@ Jamie - https://www.jugglingedge.com/log.php?LogDate=2019-10-08&UserID=885 (your comment)

It's awesome how you are able to practice for so long. I tucker out after an hour usually :(

Well, that's a big topic as it concerns a major part of lifetime ( on a day and every day and overall ).

.) - Knowing in advance that my session and stints will take hours, I won't reasonably power out and all the time "go for it", pumping, exhausting myself, only when I feel 'fresh', fit, when I feel like sth goes.

.) - Generally I believe, juggling is mainly a (sportive) skill ( for the art in the end ), not a force act, not a work out sport. The 'finished' pattern is easy, fluent, smooth, effortless, maybe nimble, maybe soft.

    It's not like biking up the mountains, not like weight-lifting or iron-man, not like any power sport that stays muscle-intense also with mastership, where technique helps a lot, but in the end doesn't do the job and one will have to bite ever again.

    Juggling is often like that too .. when you're still learning .. you do in tensed ways, needing to keep a pattern up somehow, then to hold it up for a while, before you can seize its rhythm, timing, precise automized aiming an' all, <before you found the good ratios, your height an' all. But in the end it should flow 'like nothing'.

    So my conclusion is, that whenever it's hard, you're doing sth wrong!? And that means, you can relax(!) instead of forcing harder, and it'll be a right way to go. Just like in martial arts they say "be like the water". At least, that's my personal approach to it all these last years ( it wasn't always like this, but formerly did with burning muscles, tensed, forcing, but also for hours ).

.) - Then, there's will, what I want, and what I've taken the decision(!) to do - so there's kind of no alternative to succeeding in what I started, what believing I can achieve. So when it becomes tedious and I'm getting nowhere, I say to myself, all I have to do is to get it (or drop dead trying), and I can hook it off and proceed. And again, knowing that in the end, it sould be easy, simple, helps in reflecting and analyzing what to change and how to try differently to get there.

And last not least, Hey, people work from nine to five, so .. ;oD


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