Темы с участием James Hennigan

Daniel Simu - 8/10/2020 14:17 - Наверх #

Definitely normal.
I can run 5 balls for 10 minutes, but the only siteswaps I have ever managed to run for 30+ rounds are 744 and some synch patterns I think.

Julien_H - 8/14/2020 08:35 - Наверх #

It seems pretty normal to me, running a 5 balls and running 5 balls siteswaps is pretty different. When you do a 5 balls cascade, you always throw at the same height, same movement etc ... So you can just "lock" your arms into doing the same thing. It does not need to be "perfect". So when the dreaded time to throw a 7 or else comes, you need to relearn a brand new way of juggling 5 balls.

There's really a gap between juggling 5 balls and doing 5 balls siteswaps. Some are harder than the others.

What really helped me was to learn more complicated and advanced 4 balls siteswaps. It's easier compared to the 5 balls ones, and it can train you to do some high and funky throw combinations! It's also good for the mind because you can learn those patterns in a few days / weeks compared to weeks / months for the 5 balls one.

Orinoco - 8/14/2020 11:48 - Наверх #

As everyone else has said, definitely normal.

I'm curious though is there something specific that makes you think that wouldn't be the case? Too much Youtube perhaps?

Orinoco - 7/30/2020 17:53 - Наверх #

I'm guessing this list came from Juggle wiki. I'm inclined to believe it is pretty complete. I had a search for some likely candidates generally outside of the internet based community (Mario Berousek, Viktor Pilipovitch, Toby Walker etc.) but couldn't find any evidence.

For this sort of skill level I would guess that everyone who could currently do it would all know of each other. For jugglers of the past paging David Cain...

Jack Denger - 7/30/2020 19:10 - Наверх #

I don't think there is anyone else beyond these.

Scott Seltzer - 8/11/2020 21:35 - Наверх #

The latest article on eJuggle has information with videos and some interviews about 7 club backcrosses.
https://www.juggle.org/ejuggle

Alex Jones - 6/10/2019 11:12 - Наверх #

This idea fits within a wider method that I have often used to find new patterns. I think it is best described as: 'imagine that this small section of this complex pattern is actually this other more basic pattern' or generally just 'imagine that this pattern is actually this other one'. Another example of this method is in the following idea: 'only focus on the top section of the pattern and ignore what is happening beneath'.

For example: imagine that the 6x's in (6x,4)* are 3s in a three ball cascade. By extension you can then juggle any 3-ball siteswap as a variation of the base pattern (6x,4)*.

423 -> (8,4)(4,4)(6x,4)*
441 -> (8,4)(4,8)(2x,4)*

Similarly you can also therefore 'see' box as just a 2-ball pattern of active twos. So you can then juggle any 2 ball siteswap as a variation of (4,2x)*.

I particularly like the 2-ball snake juggled via bo:

330 -> (6x,2x)(2x,6x)(0,2x)*

For such a theoretically straightforward pattern it is surprisingly mind-bending.

This general strategy can be used for loads of patterns, such as the series 501, 801, b01 which can be re-imagined as 3,4 and 5 ball base patterns respectively, which therefore leads to patterns such as:

423 -> 801201501
534 -> b01501801

Note that in this case not all siteswaps can be juggled like this as anything with a 1 in this system becomes a -1.

Similarly 744, imagine the 7s as a 3-ball cascade:

423 -> a44444744
441 -> a44a44144

Or 534, imagine the 5s as a 3-ball cascade:

423 -> 834234534
552 -> b34234234

Or 645, imagine the 6s as active 2s:

31 -> 945345
330 -> 945045945
501 -> the borderline unjugglable f45045345

Fundamentally I think this is most useful as a way to conceptualise patterns without having to use or understand the siteswap of particular patterns. It allows you to easily generate patterns by just juggling them whereas it has taken me quite a long time to work out the siteswaps of patterns that are conceptually quite simple.

I have not really mathematically considered what it is in particular that makes certain parts of patterns translatable but it is clear that if you imagine just looking at the top portion of a pattern you can effectively ignore what goes on below and just treat the top bit as an easier base pattern. Obviously this leads to some pretty tricky patterns but conceptually they are pretty straightforward.

Guili - 3/7/2018 00:00 - Наверх #

yeah, i guess i mean time you spent really focused on it.
I've been training allmost exclusevely for 7b this last 2 months, maybe I tried throwing 7 before, but never like this time.

7b_wizard - 3/6/2018 18:30 - Наверх #

 Undecided between 2. and 3. I wasn't juggling regularly at the time, only when the weather was nice in summers and not even always then.
 I remember endlessly going for a whole launch \flash, then later being round a few rethrows like upto 11 for a long time, and again a long time to to get all balls not only rethrown once but also caught. I think, 3. comes closest.
 I haven't been as fast a learner, as I always thought I were, but being wrong on that kept me going enthusiastically :o) and now I'm looking foreward to knockin' on worldclass'sses door by doing a 7b all up 180° prospectively in a few decades only, you know.

Solander - 3/12/2018 19:28 - Наверх #

I never was that interested in learning 7 balls. I had this idea that I wanted to master a number before going to the next. Mastering, for me, was 500 catches, and I'm not there with 6 yet. :P After a few years I tried flash 7 and got it within not that many tries on a train station, I remember. :P Now I have just below 200 catches with 7 but the qualify took be a few years, I think, since I didn't practice it that much. :)

Marvin - 3/15/2018 06:58 - Наверх #

This competition has now ended with 10 votes cast. The results are:

1.   a few months (4 votes)
2.   a year (1 vote)
3.   a few years (5 votes)

Orinoco - 9/21/2017 19:38 - Наверх #

+ Number of records set or broken at a single festival: 17?

That is an impressive set of records, congrats to all those involved.

Daniel Simu - 9/22/2017 17:04 - Наверх #

Such a nice idea to set these records at the convention! I've been thinking about setting a few records lately, but I can't get the motivation to actually film them or practice tricks which I could run over a minute... In a convention/group setting I'd feel less awkward to try and less pushy to post, yet we'd still stretch juggling as we know it!

I might try and introduce this at some convention here in the EU in the future :)

And congrats on the results too!

Daniel Simu - 5/14/2017 00:34 - Наверх #

Other tricks to consider:
Walking around, turning around, sitting down & standing up, balancing on one leg, twisting your upper body, etc.

Stephen Meschke - 5/14/2017 01:09 - Наверх #

Congratulations on solidifying a five ball cascade! The 5b. cascade was my first juggling goal, and the pattern that really got me hooked on juggling.

Where you go from here depends on your skill level as well as your goals for juggling. I encourage you to log some of your practice sessions (in the logs section of the jugglingedge.com) so that more advanced jugglers can recommend tricks and juggling patterns that are relevant to your skill level.

If you are only interested in performance, learning 5 ball siteswaps is not the most efficient use of your time.

My goal is to juggle 7 balls for one minute, and I don't really care about performance juggling. If you are like me, you should train 3, 4, and 5 ball siteswaps. 5 ball siteswaps are considerably more difficult than the 5 ball cascade, so it's best to master some 3 and 4 ball siteswaps first.

Now is a good time to get a set of juggling clubs.

7b_wizard - 5/14/2017 12:32 - Наверх #

As a mix of normal\reverse throws (normal--normal--reverse--..a.s.o.), I liked "fast tennis" [animation on JWikia https://juggle.wikia.com/wiki/Tennis lower right]

ways of gripping, catching
You might wanna do a, one or some claws?
A low throw - but still a 5, just caught penguin, thrown right back in unchanged tact and 5-pattern.

multiplex
355[22]5[53]55555 - chose a 5-ball to track for throwing that 3 to land near where and when that 5 will presumably land. Then, after the hold, stack-split them right back into pattern; you can use the thumb to split them well. Just make sure, the other hand is ready to go on throwing its normal 5 right after that lower stacked ball comes in sooner, lower.
25[53]5555 - with a hold you wait for another 5 to come in and throw them right back to pattern with the same stacked throw.
7555505[53]55555 - one high 7, then you throw a 5 onto both meeting where and when they land. The stack now goes right into filling the gap back to full 5-pattern.
355[75]5055555 - a 5 and 3 meet (creating a gap where they're thrown, two beats later), thrown as high stack right back into filling all gaps to full pattern again.

s'swap
55558552 - I found straight up outside 8-s easier - away from any possible collisons.

7b_wizard - 5/14/2017 13:21 - Наверх #

Just one two more remarks on extra throws or sequences from 5b-cascade ..

.. by doing an extra throw, you split the pattern into that extra throw and a rest of the normal ground pattern (consisting of 4 balls going on doing regular Fives, or - in case of multiplex - 3 balls doing regular Fives).

.. if you have a weakhand that sort of always follows while stronghand sort of leads, any extra throw will entail a following reaction of the next hand (like also ``wanting´´ to do or in fact doing higher, or also lower, or also wanting to pause on a hold, ororor, or simply gets puzzled on "Erhh.. why what how now?" at a given moment).

.. also, when doing higher throws, an 8, a 6, a 7, you have like more balls in the air than usually when doing 5b cascade where one ball has its dwelltime, one next lowest ball is spotted to catch and sort of ``done with focus on it´´, which makes it mostly three balls in the air to cope with.   With a high throw, there's then (suddenly) four balls in the air high up to be coped with.

So, one main hurdle in leaving the constant cascade to do extra throws or sequences, is to dead-stable keep the rest of the pattern in stable shape!   Rely on well aimed throws fitting back into pattern even when you seem to lose control for a few milliseconds and just let things happen instead of hesitating!

IsaacDraper - 5/14/2017 12:55 - Наверх #

Thanks for the replies guys. I'll get started right away! My 3b and 4b siteswaps are limited but I'm learning more. Exciting stuff!

Scott Seltzer - 5/1/2017 18:09 - Наверх #

I think it's easiest to count every catch from one hand and then double it.

Mike Moore - 5/1/2017 18:24 - Наверх #

When I'm doing short runs, I count every catch by sound. When I can do longer runs, I count in groups of 8 or 16 by sound.

7b_wizard - 5/1/2017 19:57 - Наверх #

Hi, I count sets of 8 throws by pairs of throws emphasizing stronghand's throws ("hep--hep--hep--one--hep--hep--hep--two--.. a.s.o.").

Also cf. https://www.jugglingedge.com/forum.php?ThreadID=116&SmallID=651#Small651 and https://www.jugglingedge.com/forum.php?ThreadID=2044&SmallID=14476#Small14476 (similar topic)

7b_wizard - 5/10/2017 12:52 - Наверх #

The pattern's not even extremely high .. a bit higher than twice what he's tall; not much higher than others', practitioners', like 8b patterns, maybe.

barnesy - 4/19/2017 19:53 - Наверх #

It's probably rather unfair that I saw that and thought 'oh had he not done that yet?'

7b_wizard - 4/19/2017 21:05 - Наверх #

Oh. Emm. Gee. God mode. Absurd, breathtaking.

peterbone - 4/20/2017 08:50 - Наверх #

I was shown a secret video recently of Alex getting as close as you can possibly get to doing it without actually doing it. But that was sync. I love the fact that he did it async.

The Void - 4/20/2017 11:29 - Наверх #

Well done, Alex. Incredible.
If you're reading this: Chance of this being front page featured, if it were uploaded to JTV: 100% :-)

Austin - 3/11/2017 11:35 - Наверх #

I reckon it would be over half an hour. The thing is with balls is that with Norwiks, endurance becomes 100x easier, so if people can run 7b for 5 minutes with heavy beanbags, with Norwiks or equivalent you could go for a very, very long time. I think the limit in skill will always be hit first.

Stephen Meschke - 3/11/2017 21:45 - Наверх #

Sorry, I don't have a source for that claim.