Little Paul - #
I enjoyed this video
https://youtu.be/MenN2sSCMqo
Interesting how many of her moves feel like they’ve been rediscovered/reinvented by the contact staff folks over the last decade or so.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
Interesting indeed!
Also, the poor girl lost her earrings at 2:17 :o
Tom Derrick - - Наверх #
I've watched a few baton videos in the past, but not any as early as this. It's fascinating to see how much has transferred to staff.
Were my eyes deceiving me that both wicks lit from holding a flame to one of them?
Tom Derrick - #
I had a thumb through the Guinness Book of Records 1997 while packing up a bookcase, which has a page devoted to juggling. I can do more research than was possible in an internetless house in rural England in the late 90s.
I looked up Francois Chotard, who held (holds?) the record for most balls spun on one hand. It's quite a contraption he had, one which I thought others here might enjoy.
http://dev.juggle.org/history/archives/jugmags/images/42-3/42-3,p17-1.jpg
This simultaneously reminds me of an Indian(?) guy who had the record for the world's longest fingernails, and Sean Blue.
mike.armstrong - - Наверх #
I'd forgotten all about him - he used to be a regular at EJCs around the millennium. His rug was about as natural as his prop! I wonder what happened to him?
The golf club balance done with swords [vid]
Found this on a David Nixon show. I've not encountered this version of the golf club balance before. (Vid quality is pretty bad, but that's what you get when the clip is from the 1970s...)
https://youtu.be/XrrjX-RvECY?start=1742
(If the time embed doesn't work, it's at 29m02s)
Juggler's name is Bevan Raynor, and he is apparently an Aussie.
He is better known as Mr. Boomerang. Here's another video of his act.
http://juggling.tv/16980
David Cain
Hello,
I am a 15 year old juggler and I really really want to go to the Fort Wayne IJA festival because it is the only festival that is within a 2 hour drive and within my time constraints. But since I am 15 (16 by the time of the festival) My Mom wants as much information as possible and a soon as possible. However I haven't really been able to find much information about it other than the location and date. Am I looking in the wrong spots or im I just to early because I was looking for like a sedule of the performances and competition times. If not out yet When could I expect to see the sedule?
And information about it would be helpfull
Thanks
Hi Adam
I had a quick look at the IJA page and I don't think there is much information there about this year's festival yet. However, if you click the "past festivals" you could find some schedules from previous years, that could give you a rough idea if this is your first festival.
I have only been to the IJA festival once, last year, so I bet there are people here on the Edge who knows more than I do.
I think I am going to get some zeekio Pegasus juggling clubs.
what color should I get. Is one color better for the audience to see, is one easyier to see while juggling what would you say is the best crowd pleaser.
Thanks for the help
Adam Hellman - - Наверх #
I just don't really want to much more money the pegusas is already pushing my buget. what brand would you recomend?
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
Henry's or play, the only clubs really worth considering...
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
When in doubt about color, pick white. When in doubt about type and your budget is limited, pick px3 from play. When in doubt and your budget is not limited get henrys pirouette...
Juggling is a cheap hobby, these clubs can last you over 10000 hours of practise!
Adam Hellman - - Наверх #
Both of those are out of my budget really I would prefer like $30 for all 3 of them so $40 for pegusas are already more then I would prefer
Stephen Meschke - - Наверх #
Have you considered buying used? I have a set of Beard Circus clubs for sale (USA).
If you are buying new I strongly suggest you spend a little more, there will be a big jump in quality. Higher quality clubs are much easier and comfortable to juggle.
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
The advice about getting better props is actually about making you a better juggler. Unlike, say, photography where an amateur won’t get anything good out of a more expensive camera compared to a cheaper one, with juggling equipment that isn’t the case.
For example, a cheap diabolo is with used string is frustrating to learn with, as you’ll spend most of your time struggling to control it, and the string will bind up and snag all the time. The best way to make someone give up diabolo is to buy them a cheap one as a gift.
With clubs, it’s quite similar. If you buy cheap clubs, without good quality handles and knobs and ends, you’re setting yourself up for uncomfortable frustration while learning. It means you’ll spend less time juggling the clubs, and just won’t improve very much and at any good rate.
If you can’t afford a set of three nice PX3 or Pirouettes now, I’d suggest saving for 6 months and then buying a set. They will last you years of *hard* practice. If you buy the cheap ones, not only will they not last, but you won’t want to put in the hard practice anyway, and in 6 months you won’t bother juggling clubs any more.
You might like to build your own.
http://dev.juggle.org/ija/howto/green-club-project/
I have a set of these and they are fine for practice and performing solo. The major drawback is passing with other people who expect your clubs to be like theirs.
CATCH 2018 – The Cumbrian Juggling Convention (UK)
Hi Everyone,
I went along to CATCH, it was great, you can read about my menu choices (and other less relevant things) here:
https://www.juggle.org/catch-2018-cumbrian-juggling-convention-uk/
Cheers, Jon
Thanks for the kind words about my show, the Old Skool Panel, and my promo quote!
David Cain
Great review Jon (as ever).
Thanks for the mention of Jamie & I's contraption, after learning much from this prototype Jamie will be attempting to build a new, self-contained version that is more likely to be possible for normal human beings...we will also try and build some more things at some point, it's fun.
For those of you who didn't make it to Catch (and there were only a couple of hundred of us there) you unfortunately managed to miss one of the best conventions I've ever been to. Shows galore of extremely high quality; extra events like the Old School and Juggling History show that were fantastic for those of us interested in juggling history and anecdotes (holding Cinquevalli's cannon ball was a particular highlight, as was chatting over beers with Kris Kremo); flawless organisation and ability to work around things outside one's control by Rosie, her family and friends; Monte's food of course (although sadly we didn't get a chance to eat much of it due to moany children); friends galore; a library full of books and comics for our two (I think they spent at least a few hours in there every day while we could get on with other things), all surrounded by amazing places to visit (during the week we climbed a hill, swam in a Lake, jumped off waterfalls, visited Hadrian's Wall and enjoyed Appleby itself, including watching The Greatest Showman in a pop-up cinema in town.
Rosie of course should be congratulated and thanks to everyone else who worked so hard. Nice one!
I only got home a few days ago. I managed to squeeze in 23 castles, two Roman forts, Hadrian's wall, two stone circles, two henges and a 12th century priory.
Plus a 60' working Trebuchet.
hashtag #catch2018
Nice review, as ever, Jon, thanks.
It was not Rob's first time compèring. Although I heard other people saying it was, so perhaps he had been.... ahem... fostering that illusion for sympathy? *showbiz!*
I emailed you not long after the convention, by the way. Check your spam folder, or email me if you didn't get it. Or reply if you did, please.
Cheers!
Little Paul - - Наверх #
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!
I'm SO annoyed!
I've just found my copy of the Kris Kremo book, the book that I tried to find before catch. I wanted to bring it along for Kris to sign, but couldn't find it so I had assumed I was mistaken in thinking I had a copy.
The bloody thing was on the wrong bookshelf, it was in with my gardening books not with the juggling books for some inexplicable reason.
So I guess - "Yay! I do own a copy" but "Boooo! It's not a signed copy"
Did anyone record the Juggling History Show at CATCH. The angle of my video is horrible. Void?
David Cain
Sorry, I just took photos. I'll let you have the best ones once I get to "sorting out Catch photos" on my to-do list.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
I seem to remember you saying something at the beginning of the JHS that said not to video it, but to take as many photos as you like...
Super nice to meet you BTW, hope you made your flight home in time! I heard you got stuck in loads of traffic.
Yeah, I asked that no one post video to the internet, but that it was okay to video for yourself. Just thought maybe someone did. Thanks
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
Yup
mike.armstrong - - Наверх #
Yep.
Scroll down at https://jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=4593 for some more
#catch2018, you mean? Why yes, I'll be there.
Tom Derrick - - Наверх #
I'll be there from Tuesday evening. Sadly I couldn't get the time off work for the whole event.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Yup! although we didn’t realise there was stuff happening in the evening on the Friday when we booked accommodation and cat sitting - so we’ll be leaving before the end :(
Looking forward to finally meeting you after all these years, and hopefully finding out what ball spinning is like with your cheating-saggy-balloon-things-that-aren’t-really-balls :P
Little Paul - - Наверх #
It seems likely, I’ve not really had a go with them for ages though!
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Does anyone know if Charlie Holland is coming, or if he could be persuaded to bring the golf clubs that he's got?
I don't appear to have any contact info for him any more so can't ask him directly :(
Rumour has it that a) He's forgotten his Edge password, b) He'll be at Catch, and c) so will RM's clubs.
Little Paul - - Наверх #
Doh! Hurrah! And extra hurrah! :)
Im going!
Glad to see so many golf club balancers are going... :D
Regarding Friday evening: there is entertainment, a circus film will be shown, there will be food too. Also during the day food stalls and local vendors will be out in force. It will be in Appleby itself instead of up on the convention site, I didnt really organise it, I just suggested they do something, told them what film, and why and how, and then they are running it, which is why at first i never said anything was happening on the friday incase it didnt come off.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing you all there!
Llama_Bill - - Наверх #
I'll be there but unfortunately I won't be bringing any golf clubs.
I'll be there.
I won't be bringing golf clubs but will bring wiff waff bats in the hope that there will be a table to play on...
We'll be there - and me and Jamie Fletcher are planning to make some crazy props (we're bringing some tools and materials and ideas, most of which involve balancing stuff on faces). We're hoping you'll be interested David, and that LP and Charlie Holland and others are too...
Cedric Lackpot - - Наверх #
I'll be there late on Monday, but of course goff is a game reserved for the feeble of mind and other simpletons so I'm not going to bring any goff bats with me. I've tried LP's though, and they're bastard difficult! What's the bloody point of that then, eh?
Not gonna lie, I'm really looking forward to it, so it had damn well better be good! As usual I will bring a large bag'o'juggling-shite which I will not bother using, plus a guitar and much booze which definitely will get used.
OK, I've been working on my menus and have the evening meals worked out.
There will be a full English breakfast from 9 o'clock and a range of lunches every day too.
Mon eve
Steak and ale pie (Suffolk Red Poll from farmer Paul) with mash, carrots and green cabbage.
Spinach and cream cheese roulade with new potatoes and salads (GF + vegetarian)
Veg' chilli, rice and tortilla chips (vegan + GF)
Tues
Thai style chicken curry with noodles and salads
Veg' lasagne with garlic bread and salads {veggie)
Veg' hotpot with roasted med' veg' (vegan + GF)
Wed
Cottage pie (Hulver farm beef) with peas and roast parsnips (GF)
Sweet potato and chick pea curry with rice and veg pakoras (vegan + GF)
Thurs
Loin of pork in a cider, mustard and apple sauce with mashed potato, braised red cabbage and green beans (GF)
Mushroom Stroganoff with rice and salad (GF)
Red lentil cottage pie with peas and carrots (vegan + GF)
The more things I find out about CATCH, the more excited I am for it!!!
Great menu!
I am expecting big things from your review Jon! (mainly because they remind me so much of how my dad describes his holidays)
What do you think, where is the border between juggler-amateur and juggler professional?
I think it depends on every person whether they consider themselves amateurs or professionals, but I am interested what do you think it means to be pro - to juggle or dance with fire? To juggle solidly 7 balls? To break a world record? To win competition at WJF? To know a lot of juggling tricks and can do creative shows? Does it mean, if you are pro, that balls will never fall in your show?
Little Paul - - Наверх #
The border is quite simple.
Do you make the majority of your income from juggling?
Yes - you’re a professional juggler
No - you’re an amateur juggler
For sure. And maybe being able to arrange your life around your juggling income, supporting a family, a household, a car, insurances (in case of injury or sickness) an' all, some spare budget; and that means also when things are workin' out against you (in life or as a juggler) at times. You would mostly depend on your juggling.
For me, I guess, it would mean to do dropless. To entertain people well.
There's so many occasions and setups for where and when to juggle for money, in pedestrian zones, at traffic lights, at festivals, on markets, at events of any kind, for tourists on ships, at hotels, on beaches, give workshops for jugglers and non-jugglers, at camps, teach in a circus school, have gigs at a varieté, in events-bars, discos, therapeutic teaching juggling for rehabilitation or for mental support or as part of an ergotherapy, have an own studio, be a wandering mobile jester, is what I can think of ad hoc.
So there's many decisions to take and many things to find out where and when it would work best also long-term like where do people's wallets sit loose, what do people expect and want from a juggler, how can you make what you have to offer an ``event´´, sth they won't easily forget and worthwhile for people to pay for.
And all this is not yet speaking of skills being utterly ripe for stage, not speaking of mastership versus "got it once per stint" and doing on highest and secure level enabling you to entertain while juggling.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
I've become a professional juggler by caring less about juggling and more about performing whenever I'm on stage.
Are you just a good juggler? Amateur.
Are you a good juggler, good performer, have knowhow about costumes, music, dancing, devising shows, collaborating, creative writing, promoting yourself and getting paid for your juggling? Probably a professional.
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Pah, I've seen loads of examples of bad jugglers and good performers (who perform juggling). Or, at least, they do no good juggling in their show. Let's not overidolize the pros.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
I used to think that loads of performers were bad jugglers, but the longer I am in this business the more I realize most performers choose to not do great juggling even if they can.. Including myself, on stage I show at most a third of my skill level...
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
I've been disappointed way too many times. There are tons of buskers, as well as cushy-job pros that I wouldn't describe as "good jugglers" even if their act contained only 10 % of their skill level. It's fine, I get it, juggling isn't their profession as much as performing is.
There are tons of (juggling-mainly) buskers in Ontario that are pretty bad jugglers. Even at the Toronto Buskerfest, where there are many international performers, the juggling tends to be pretty lackluster.
I also recall Luke Burrage (I think? In one of the really old podcasts) complaining about buskers who only do 3 object cascades with different things. I don't think the trend is unique to North America.
All of that said...when I went to a Japanese busking festival, there were JJF/IJA winners/placers as far as the eye could see.
These "bad buskers" probably have their own reasons why do they juggle in public even if they can't do it on a high level. In Czech Republic where I live there is a lot of buskers but I have never seen a juggler among them, only musicians and others.
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
Oh, it can be very effective at getting money in a hat. Which is why I wouldn't describe them as bad buskers, but would describe them as bad jugglers.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
There is a point where I would not consider these performers "jugglers", perhaps entertainers or buskers. I wonder how they see themselves, but I doubt that someone who sticks to the three cascade with different objects see themselves as jugglers in the first place... I hope not :p
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
They've certainly advertised themselves as such :(
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
I don't remember the exact podcast, but I think my opinions have evolved a bit. I don't mind buskers who only do three object cascades with different things. Now I have strong thoughts about american-style comedy jugglers whose performances are based around telling dad jokes while juggling three object cascades, and never have anything funny going on *except* the dad jokes and maybe the intrinsic hilarity of the weird objects being juggled. If the comedy isn't somehow connected to the physicality of juggling or the performance of juggling, and just what someone says or holds, I personally find it very hard to enjoy or appreciate. Conversations with this type of juggling never seems to be about juggling, only about joke writing, but I have zero interest in conversations about writing jokes, and if I did have interest in writing jokes, I'd being hanging out with standup comedians, not jugglers.
Mike Moore - - Наверх #
It was one of my favourite episodes...I think you also talked about one particular busker who would gather a crowd, then demand prepayment, then cancel the show because he didn't receive enough money. Rinse and repeat.
Because of this thread I was trying to figure out whether I'd consider this person to be a bad busker. Since I've had mostly bad experiences with buskers (in the wild), I see a busker's priority as making money, leaning my answer toward, "No, he accomplishes his goal as a busker". But I don't know how prevalent that attitude/prioritization is, and if it varies depending on the type of skill performed (juggling, balancing, beatboxing, etc.)
Little Paul - - Наверх #
He sounds more hustler than busker to me.
mike.armstrong - - Наверх #
Daniel can give his own answer - but I saw him perform at BJC and I think he did give his best.
He gives his best performance, which isn't the same as his hardest juggling tricks.
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
Mike is correct! I want to make the best performance, and that doesn't work if I have to concentrate on the juggling. This seems to be the same for the high end technical jugglers too... Anthony Gatto did tricks in training way beyond what he did on stage.
Sergei Ignatov's warm up included doing his whole 5 ring stage sequence with 7 rings...
The people who perform at the top of their juggling skill level are often regarded as bad performers, at least by me. On a convention open stage this can be fun, but they fail in show business.... I don't want to call out names, but often I've seen videos of acts that really impressed me, but when I saw them live they were either droppy or really didn't know how to deal with the stage...
Even in youth circus this is a thing. As a kid I always wanted to show off my best moves of course, but recently I've seen some acts from youngsters who chose to keep it simple, and that has made their work so much more interesting to watch! :)
Little Paul - - Наверх #
I think of it as risk management.
The absolute hardest stuff you can do, is inherently risky. You can't hit it every time [1]. If you put that in the show, it'll be droppy and that makes audiences feel uncomfortable.
Training well above the level of what's in your show makes the stuff that *is* in your show more reliable, less risky, less droppy.
Reducing that risk leaves space in your show for the other performance aspects that are required to give the audience a pleasing experience.
For most performers, a happy audience leads to more work (And that's as true on the street as it is on cruise ships as it is on a variety stage or circus ring) - which is important if performing is how you pay for your rent/food.
I've heard several people claim that in some environments (eg cruise ships) some bookers will not rebook you if you drop. So putting your top 10% hardest tricks in the show is a poor business decision.
After all, as they say - "Show Business" is at least as much Business as it is Show.
-Paul
[1] Or "reliably hit it on the third time" which is the traditional "circus" trope for hard stuff
I went to a workshop with Donald Grant once.
He said something along the lines of: 'If you fill your routine with tricks which you can hit 90% of the time, then your routine as a whole will be 90% drop free'.
The wording may well have been different but the message is very clear.
If you are happy with a few more drops in the routine as a whole then you could include some more risky tricks. If you want a dropless performance, then tone it down.
As LP says, its all about risk management.
Cheers Jon
(I love that quote from Donald so I bang it out every chance I get!)
lukeburrage - - Наверх #
I was a guest at the Russian Juggling Convention last weekend, and one of my duties was to judge the IJA Regional Competition. There are six factors that are rated out of 10:
Entertainment Factor
Difficulty of Juggling
Execution of Juggling
Creativity of Juggling
Non-juggling Performance Aspects
Representative of Juggling
The two acts that I rated the highest, and who went on to win the top two prizes, were both so obviously the most professional, and it wasn't due to the non-juggling performance aspects. The thing that made me think they were the most professional was the difficulty level of tricks they chose and how well they executed them. Once an audience member can relax, knowing the performer is in control, it allows them to enjoy the act as a whole. Drops get in the way of the flow of the act and interrupt any character work.
Also there were a number of acts who never landed their final trick. Some didn't get it due to failing once, then running out of time or music (which has lots of easy solutions). Others tried a few times, and failed every time, and then gave up (which also has easy solutions: pick an easier trick or practice more). But in all cases, it destroyed the entertainment factor scores AND the performance scores along with the difficulty and execution scores. Nothing is more annoying than bringing me close to the climax and then stopping before we arrive!
I'm glad it isn't true that cruise ships won't book you again if you drop, in my experience, because my show is about failure and overcoming failure, and I drop plenty in my show. But what I ALWAYS do is nail the final trick, on cue, to the music, even if it means replaying the final 20 seconds of the music again to do so (which I actually do on purpose to build tension).
I'm with Daniel when it comes to being disappointed by big name jugglers who look impressive in videos but then drop too much. Pavel Evsukevich is probably the most disappointing, having seen him perform twice live now, and never seeing him land his final trick, despite a total of maybe six or seven attempts. One performance was at a juggling convention, so whatever, but the other was at a ticketed public event, not for jugglers, and he didn't get close to convincing me he was in control at the end of his act. It's a real pity, because I'd love to see someone do 9 rings with a head bounce!
Daniel Simu - - Наверх #
I saw that same ticketed public event on another date and had the same bad experience, he was definitely on my mind when I wrote my post....
I am neither pro nor amateur. I classify myself as a hobbyist, I do it for fun, not money.
I haven't checked the dictionary, but in my head (and maybe only in my head) I feel like there is a difference somehow.
Like, if it was golf, a golf amateur would enter local tournaments, but a golf hobbyist wouldn't. Not that there are juggling tournaments as such. An amateur might aspire to be a professional, a hobbyist wouldn't.
I'm not sure how to verbalise it, but there is a difference to me, a difference in attitude or approach or something.
Peter's right in terms of the derivation of the word. You're right in real-world examples. LP's right in his answer to the original question.
All right!
Little Paul - - Наверх #
I think the original poster might have meant something slightly different to what I answered though.
I think the intent might have been “what do I need to be able to do to call myself a professional” - which is subtly different.
Then again, there’s also “what does professionalism look like?” - which in my mind is different again, and the gold standard answer to that one is Luke Wilson in my book.
I am interested in all answers, but you are right, I was thinking a lot what it is - professionalism. Because some people who call themselves pro are bad jugglers and some very good jugglers don't call themselves in any way.
Also when a person is amateur and tends to be a professional, there is time when they tell themselves: Now I am pro, not more amateur. Or they ask themselves what to do to be a professional. I'm interested in these reasons and answers and I am happy for all answers here)
Yeah, to be technical, if you make money from juggling, you're a professional. If you don't, you're an amateur / hobbyist. It's that simple.
pumpkineater23 - - Наверх #
There’s not much in the way of financial reward for juggling. Sure, some people earn enough to get by but there isn’t much incentive, financially. So the word ‘pro’ isn’t really associated with being highly skilled or ‘expert’ as it is with other things like basketball, football, golf etc. The rewards of juggling are purely internal.
I think it is closer to say that there is no financial reward for juggling per se. There is a financial reward to being a good entertainer and that doesn't mean the same thing at all. In fact the people who are most entertaining are generally around the median skill at juggling because their energies are better spent on working out how to be entertaining. Your comparison with sports is misleading, juggling isn't a sport (for professionals). Juggling can be better compared with the arts. If you look at music and compare the earnings of a virtuoso musician with those of a popular musician then that is a closer representation.
Nigel
pumpkineater23 - - Наверх #
Yes I take your point - a wealthy pro musician isn't necessarily a highly skilled musician. And people don't pay to see juggling skills that are used to defeat other jugglers for entertainment (I was thinking of other skillful manipulation of balls as examples).
There is also far more financial incentive for a musician. Like a sportsman/women, they can use their skills to massive financial reward, they can become superstars but jugglers can't. The same is true for entertainers that use juggling.. perhaps the odd extremely rare occasion.
There are about twice as many people employed in theatre, media and performing arts as there are in employed in sports, inluding coaching, in the UK. I admit circus is just a small branch of the theatrical arts, but there are only 17,000 professional sports players, all sports, in the country, compared to many millions of amateurs.
So I think the ratio of professionals to hobbyists is actually much higher in circus and juggling than in sports - it seems much more likely to have full time professionals turn up at your local juggling club and spend two hours practising/drinking tea/chatting than is in football or rugby league! (Put it another way, many sports are so much more popular that the percentage who ever make it as professionals is tiny.)
The Office for National Statistics, https://www.ons.gov.uk
The specific data set was EMP04, Employment by Occupation, April - June 2017, https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/employmentbyoccupationemp04
There are 18,000 ship and hovercraft officers, but only 6,000 knitters and weavers.
Okay. Here's my Christmas gift to the juggling community: the 4 part video tour of the Museum of Juggling History.
https://youtu.be/UG5MayaQ72Q
https://youtu.be/2wcdrTT0ivw
https://youtu.be/R--80rwRmxU
https://youtu.be/jYfFVyVYYco
Thanks David,
I've finally finished watching all 4, I quite enjoyed them.
Two (hopefully) constructive comments:
1) Use a high resolution scanner to digitise all that printed material and upload it somewhere, make sure it goes in to the wayback machine (aka archive.org)
2) You had some good stories about most of the exhibits, write them down, print them out and put them beside the respective exhibit.
If I ever visit the US again, I think I'd quite enjoy stopping by to check the museum out in person.
Cheers,
Juggle on,
Kelhoon
Little Paul - - Наверх #
It’s taken me ages to find the time to watch all four of these, but I’m glad I got to it eventually. I knew you had a lot of kit, but hadn’t really appreciated just how much!
I hope I’ll get to see it it person at some point!
mike.armstrong - - Наверх #
I've (finally!) finished watching all of these - thanks very much David